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That pick at the goal line was the killer though. Even a FG gives them some glimmer of hope at 13-3...
Oh well, good bye Patriots South
Wildcard Weekend - 1/9 8:15 p.m. ET - Pittsburgh at Cincinnati (CBS)
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That pick at the goal line was the killer though. Even a FG gives them some glimmer of hope at 13-3...
Oh well, good bye Patriots South
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You could tell that the refs were pro Stealers...
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I don't know exactly why they called that second penalty to Adam Jones, but the one on Burfict was justified.
By the way, I've seen this movie before with Burfict. When he was at ASU, he was called for facemasking, and complained so vociferously about the call that they threw an unsportsmanlike on him, too. They enforced both penalties, which gave their opponents (I think it was Stanford) the ball in the red zone. Stanford(?) proceeded to score the game-winning TD.
Even the penalty on Burfict only placed the ball at the hairy edge of the Pittsburgh kicker's FG range. I guess Jones figured he'd remove the rest of the uncertainty in that kick.
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sprocketboy
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I agree with all of this, but ... KC is on an 11-game winning streak, and most of their major contributors are healthy.
You can't say either of those things about the Patriots.
Then again, it's the BB and TFB Show in the playoffs.
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In Mike Tomlin's post-game press conference, he said something that was (unintentionally?) hilarious ... "I think we both represented the AFC North and what the AFC North is about."
What, exactly, is that, Mike? Criminal activity???
Link to video (comment is about 45 seconds in).
What, exactly, is that, Mike? Criminal activity???
Link to video (comment is about 45 seconds in).
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So we get the Chiefs without potentially Maclin and Houston? Excellent. And then we get to watch the two "warrior" Qbs on Sunday feign injury to then lead a Herculean comeback. I can't wait.
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Bengals got screwed. Half of it was their own fault, but half of it was the refs. Again.
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I woke up this morning and thought I would see a headline that said Marvin Lewis had been fired.
If that performance by his team last night doesn't get him canned, then he's got a job for life.
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I had no issues with the refs other than letting that scum bag Porter on the field but Pacman can't bump a ref either. Cincy completely self-destructed.
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Marvin will be there until he willingly retires. Bet on it.
I forget who it was, but one Bengals guy got blasted in the helmet, helmet to helmet, and the refs didn't call it and the announcers were giving some bullshit excuse. Then when the same thing happens to the Steelers (twice) the refs throw the flag both times.
The self destruction didn't happen until the very end. And Marvin is a f*cking MORON for #1: going for two instead of just kicking the extra point, and #2: for not kicking the field goal, going up by five, and letting his D win the game.
Seriously, all he had to do was tell the O to take a knee 3 times (forcing the Steelers to burn at least two time outs) and then kicking the field goal on 4th down and going up by five. I know the Bengals D could have held off a TD with only a minute left.
Just makes you appreciate the genius of BB.
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You go for two every time and try to get up by 3. Being up 1 or 2 points makes no difference there.
The right call was to run after the pick. The Cincy RB had picked up 6 or 7 yards before the fumble. One first down there and game is over. It was a great play by Shazier to strip it out.
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that crown of the helmet to helmet hit against the cincy rb was absolutely a penalty. He may have taken that second step and begun to turn, but he had no chance to protect himself. He was defenseless on a hit to the neck or head area. Don't care who won, that was cheap and punishable.
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It was definitely cheap. By the letter of the rule book it may not have been a penalty but if so the rule book needs to be rewritten. That was a morally corrupt hit that should have been punishable in my opinion.
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Yeah, that hit should always draw a flag. He led with the crown of his helmet and hit a defenseless player in the head/neck area. They should adopt the NCAA's targeting rule minus the ejection.
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Pacman went on a tirade about the officiating and the idiot posted it on Instagram. Watch part of it here (nsfw), saved before it was deleted as Deion Sanders suggested in a text to Jones. In the 2nd video below Pacman is more "mellow" (drugged up) after 10 minutes of "reflection". 15 yds for talking to a Pitt coach & that moved Pitt into ez fg range for the win. lmao. Bungles
https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/686055883055468544/video/1
https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/686055883055468544/video/1
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I guess it is much more important to protect Flaccoball and keep Gronk from extending his arm than to protect players from life altering injuries. By the way what was the psi of those footballs.
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The Meltdown at Paul Brown was surreal and salacious and spectacular, and it pushed the Bengals into a state of stunned devastation that persisted long into the rainy southern Ohio night.
"The worst ending ever," said Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati's 10th-year left tackle. "I mean ... you've got to control your emotions in that situation."
Oh no they didn't.
The Steelers' 18-16 victory, secured by Chris Boswell's 35-yard field goal with 14 seconds remaining, left some Bengals players enraged and others dumbfounded; and it even left the immediate future of 13th-year coach Marvin Lewis, now 0-7 in the postseason, somewhat in doubt.
After all, Lewis' team squandered a sure victory not only because one player (running back Jeremy Hill) lost the football on an unconscionable fumble, but because two others -- Burfict and Jones -- lost their minds at the worst possible time. Fair or not, the glaring lack of discipline that resulted in consecutive 15-yard penalties against those two defenders to set up Boswell's kick reflect back on Lewis, leading to natural speculation by players and coaches inside the Cincinnati locker room that it might cost the coach his job.
"It sucks, man," summed up star wideout A.J. Green, who caught a dramatic, 25-yard touchdown pass from AJ McCarron with 1:50 remaining to complete a stirring fourth-quarter comeback and give the Bengals a 16-15 lead. "I thought the game was over. We just gave 'em a free 30 yards ... I wanted to get it for coach Lewis -- he's been here a long time with no playoff win. I wanted to get it for him and for the city."
Instead, the third-seeded Bengals choked away a celebration that would have been more raucous than any since their second and final AFC championship game victory in January of 1989. And they did it in a manner that will live in infamy for at least another quarter century, perhaps longer.
The collapse began on the first play after Burfict's interception: Running back Jeremy Hill took a handoff at the Pittsburgh 26, charged through a hole for a 6-yard gain and, as two Steelers were pushing him to the ground, coughed up the football. This was right up there with Roger Craig's fumble against the New York Giants in the 1990 NFC championship game, which cost the San Francisco 49ers a shot at a third consecutive Super Bowl victory.
In retrospect, the Bengals could have taken a knee three times -- forcing the Steelers to burn all of their timeouts -- and sent on Mike Nugent for what would likely have been a 45-yard field goal attempt. When I asked Lewis if he regretted not having done that at his postgame news conference, he replied, "No, I don't think we were necessarily in field-goal range there. You want to get the first down, and win the football game there by running the ball, and we gained six ... on first down. I'm not second-guessing that."
Even after Pittsburgh cornerback Ross Cockrell recovered Hill's fumble and was tackled at his own 9-yard line, a Steelers victory was still improbable: That's because quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who'd been sidelined in favor of backup Landry Jones since sustaining what looked to be a debilitating injury to his throwing shoulder on a Burfict sack late in the third quarter, dramatically reentered the game with an arm that figured to be far from fully functional.
After converting a fourth-and-3 on a short throw that All-Pro receiver Antonio Brown turned into a 12-yard gain, Roethlisberger pushed Pittsburgh into Bengals territory. With 22 seconds remaining and no timeouts, the Steelers were still outside of Boswell's field-goal range, and they were contending with crowd noise, driving rain and a defense determined to close out the game.
Then, for the Bengals, the world turned cruel: Roethlisberger dropped back and threw deep across the middle to Brown, whose lunging attempt to catch it failed. However, Burfict, who was coming across the back of the play, appeared to clip the receiver with a forearm, and Brown went down to the turf with what looked to be a head injury.
The result was a 15-yard unnecessary-roughness penalty, one of seven personal fouls in the predictably physical and prickly game. One of those flags was incurred by a Pittsburgh assistant coach, Mike Munchak, for making contact with Bengals safety Reggie Nelson after a tackle on the Steelers' sidelines. And amazingly, Munchak wasn't the most glaringly out of control member of coach Mike Tomlin's staff.
As Burfict and other Bengals argued the call, Steelers outside linebackers coach Joey Porter -- a star player for the team from 1999-2006 known for his emotionally charged intensity and brash boisterousness -- came onto the field, ostensibly to check on Brown. According to several Bengals, Porter began trash-talking Burfict and other Cincinnati players.
That set off Jones, the veteran Cincinnati cornerback who quietly enjoyed a standout season in his ninth NFL campaign. Jones has come a long way from his early years as the league's poster child for off-the-field misbehavior, but his incensed and vocal reaction to Porter's jawing earned the Bengals a second personal foul for unsportsmanlike conduct, pushing Boswell's distance from a daunting 50 yards to a highly manageable 35.
Burfict took questions at his locker after the game, answering each one the same way: "I don't know." Jones, after a brief, profanity-laced rant, left the locker room after indicating he had nothing more to say. However, about 20 minutes later, he called me to explain his actions and to voice his frustration at what he believed was the officials' failure to control the game, especially by allowing Porter on the playing field.
"He ain't supposed to be on the (expletive) field!" Jones said. "He was talking all kinds of (expletive), yelling at (Burfict), saying, 'You a dirty son of a bitch ... Take your bitch ass out of here ...' So I turned to him and said, 'Why are you talking?' I didn't even touch him. And they threw a flag.
"How can they throw a flag on you for talking (expletive) to a coach? Especially to a (expletive) who ain't supposed to be on the field? It'd be different if I was gonna approach a (expletive) player. There's a big (expletive) difference. I mean, Mike Tomlin wasn't even on the field. Why the (expletive) is Joey Porter on the field, period?"
Jones also took issue with the call on Burfict, saying of Brown -- who the Steelers said after the game was in the league's concussion protocol -- "Man, that (expletive) was (expletive) acting. He flopped. He needs a (expletive) Academy Award for that performance."
I asked Jones if he blamed himself for drawing the pivotal penalty.
"Look," he said, "every play I had in between the lines was a good play."
Jones conceded, however, that many outsiders would blame Lewis for failing to control his team. And, truth be told, several players inside the Bengals' locker room -- none of whom wanted his name used, for obvious reasons -- felt that Lewis deserved the criticism, citing a season-long lack of discipline among some defensive players in games, practices and meetings.
"Eventually," one player said, "this (expletive) catches up to you."
Said another: "You put up with enough (expletive) for enough time, guys think they can continually do it."
Lewis, for his part, refused to rebuke Jones, saying, "I'm not going to single out our guys. We had enough chances to win the football game."
The immediate question, for the Bengals, is whether Lewis will have another chance to earn a long-awaited postseason victory in Cincinnati. Unlike the previous four defeats, this one can't be pinned on quarterback Andy Dalton, who missed the game with the broken thumb he suffered in Cincinnati's 33-20 defeat to the Steelers four weeks earlier.
"This locker room should feel a lot different right now," Dalton said after the game. "We won that game. And then we didn't."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-at-paul-brown-spell-the-end-for-marvin-lewis
"The worst ending ever," said Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati's 10th-year left tackle. "I mean ... you've got to control your emotions in that situation."
Oh no they didn't.
The Steelers' 18-16 victory, secured by Chris Boswell's 35-yard field goal with 14 seconds remaining, left some Bengals players enraged and others dumbfounded; and it even left the immediate future of 13th-year coach Marvin Lewis, now 0-7 in the postseason, somewhat in doubt.
After all, Lewis' team squandered a sure victory not only because one player (running back Jeremy Hill) lost the football on an unconscionable fumble, but because two others -- Burfict and Jones -- lost their minds at the worst possible time. Fair or not, the glaring lack of discipline that resulted in consecutive 15-yard penalties against those two defenders to set up Boswell's kick reflect back on Lewis, leading to natural speculation by players and coaches inside the Cincinnati locker room that it might cost the coach his job.
"It sucks, man," summed up star wideout A.J. Green, who caught a dramatic, 25-yard touchdown pass from AJ McCarron with 1:50 remaining to complete a stirring fourth-quarter comeback and give the Bengals a 16-15 lead. "I thought the game was over. We just gave 'em a free 30 yards ... I wanted to get it for coach Lewis -- he's been here a long time with no playoff win. I wanted to get it for him and for the city."
Instead, the third-seeded Bengals choked away a celebration that would have been more raucous than any since their second and final AFC championship game victory in January of 1989. And they did it in a manner that will live in infamy for at least another quarter century, perhaps longer.
The collapse began on the first play after Burfict's interception: Running back Jeremy Hill took a handoff at the Pittsburgh 26, charged through a hole for a 6-yard gain and, as two Steelers were pushing him to the ground, coughed up the football. This was right up there with Roger Craig's fumble against the New York Giants in the 1990 NFC championship game, which cost the San Francisco 49ers a shot at a third consecutive Super Bowl victory.
In retrospect, the Bengals could have taken a knee three times -- forcing the Steelers to burn all of their timeouts -- and sent on Mike Nugent for what would likely have been a 45-yard field goal attempt. When I asked Lewis if he regretted not having done that at his postgame news conference, he replied, "No, I don't think we were necessarily in field-goal range there. You want to get the first down, and win the football game there by running the ball, and we gained six ... on first down. I'm not second-guessing that."
Even after Pittsburgh cornerback Ross Cockrell recovered Hill's fumble and was tackled at his own 9-yard line, a Steelers victory was still improbable: That's because quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who'd been sidelined in favor of backup Landry Jones since sustaining what looked to be a debilitating injury to his throwing shoulder on a Burfict sack late in the third quarter, dramatically reentered the game with an arm that figured to be far from fully functional.
After converting a fourth-and-3 on a short throw that All-Pro receiver Antonio Brown turned into a 12-yard gain, Roethlisberger pushed Pittsburgh into Bengals territory. With 22 seconds remaining and no timeouts, the Steelers were still outside of Boswell's field-goal range, and they were contending with crowd noise, driving rain and a defense determined to close out the game.
Then, for the Bengals, the world turned cruel: Roethlisberger dropped back and threw deep across the middle to Brown, whose lunging attempt to catch it failed. However, Burfict, who was coming across the back of the play, appeared to clip the receiver with a forearm, and Brown went down to the turf with what looked to be a head injury.
The result was a 15-yard unnecessary-roughness penalty, one of seven personal fouls in the predictably physical and prickly game. One of those flags was incurred by a Pittsburgh assistant coach, Mike Munchak, for making contact with Bengals safety Reggie Nelson after a tackle on the Steelers' sidelines. And amazingly, Munchak wasn't the most glaringly out of control member of coach Mike Tomlin's staff.
As Burfict and other Bengals argued the call, Steelers outside linebackers coach Joey Porter -- a star player for the team from 1999-2006 known for his emotionally charged intensity and brash boisterousness -- came onto the field, ostensibly to check on Brown. According to several Bengals, Porter began trash-talking Burfict and other Cincinnati players.
That set off Jones, the veteran Cincinnati cornerback who quietly enjoyed a standout season in his ninth NFL campaign. Jones has come a long way from his early years as the league's poster child for off-the-field misbehavior, but his incensed and vocal reaction to Porter's jawing earned the Bengals a second personal foul for unsportsmanlike conduct, pushing Boswell's distance from a daunting 50 yards to a highly manageable 35.
Burfict took questions at his locker after the game, answering each one the same way: "I don't know." Jones, after a brief, profanity-laced rant, left the locker room after indicating he had nothing more to say. However, about 20 minutes later, he called me to explain his actions and to voice his frustration at what he believed was the officials' failure to control the game, especially by allowing Porter on the playing field.
"He ain't supposed to be on the (expletive) field!" Jones said. "He was talking all kinds of (expletive), yelling at (Burfict), saying, 'You a dirty son of a bitch ... Take your bitch ass out of here ...' So I turned to him and said, 'Why are you talking?' I didn't even touch him. And they threw a flag.
"How can they throw a flag on you for talking (expletive) to a coach? Especially to a (expletive) who ain't supposed to be on the field? It'd be different if I was gonna approach a (expletive) player. There's a big (expletive) difference. I mean, Mike Tomlin wasn't even on the field. Why the (expletive) is Joey Porter on the field, period?"
Jones also took issue with the call on Burfict, saying of Brown -- who the Steelers said after the game was in the league's concussion protocol -- "Man, that (expletive) was (expletive) acting. He flopped. He needs a (expletive) Academy Award for that performance."
I asked Jones if he blamed himself for drawing the pivotal penalty.
"Look," he said, "every play I had in between the lines was a good play."
Jones conceded, however, that many outsiders would blame Lewis for failing to control his team. And, truth be told, several players inside the Bengals' locker room -- none of whom wanted his name used, for obvious reasons -- felt that Lewis deserved the criticism, citing a season-long lack of discipline among some defensive players in games, practices and meetings.
"Eventually," one player said, "this (expletive) catches up to you."
Said another: "You put up with enough (expletive) for enough time, guys think they can continually do it."
Lewis, for his part, refused to rebuke Jones, saying, "I'm not going to single out our guys. We had enough chances to win the football game."
The immediate question, for the Bengals, is whether Lewis will have another chance to earn a long-awaited postseason victory in Cincinnati. Unlike the previous four defeats, this one can't be pinned on quarterback Andy Dalton, who missed the game with the broken thumb he suffered in Cincinnati's 33-20 defeat to the Steelers four weeks earlier.
"This locker room should feel a lot different right now," Dalton said after the game. "We won that game. And then we didn't."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-at-paul-brown-spell-the-end-for-marvin-lewis
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Remember the hit last year that Browner did where McCourty ran it back for a td? That was 3 steps and it was not even to the head.