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I'd love to open this thread one day, hit "first unread" and read that Goodell gave the Pats the draft picks back.

I know, I know. Not gonna happen.

But I can still hope - right? :shrug_n:
 
Big/Sky/Fly said:
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/deflategate/

Chris Long
Defensive End / St. Louis Rams

The 24-hour news cycle has an insatiable appetite. The phenomenon was no more apparent in the slow week between the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Just as media everywhere braced for the silence, a miracle happened. D’Qwell Jackson, a linebacker for the Colts, intercepted a football.

This wasn’t any ordinary football. You see, it had less air in it than usual. To the Colts, that seemed to be a big deal. The guy who unintentionally tossed him the rock is kind of a big deal, too. If you haven’t been living in a bunker with no Wi-Fi, a mile under an enormous rock this week, you know the rest of the story. But is this really just a convenient scoop, gift-wrapped for the media to stretch into an epic saga when they needed it most, or is this a legacy-altering scandal for Brady, Belichick and the Patriots?

Don’t get me wrong, Deflategate is the perfect storm of media and sports hype. It’s entertaining. It’s an equal opportunity touchdown of a story, accessible to the most well versed football analysts and your favorite cable news “personality” alike. It isn’t about unbalanced sets or the read option or Cover 2. It’s about air in a football. Air. Everyone knows a bit about that. Cue the experts!

Speaking of entertainment, we saw it all this week: morning show hosts clutching deflated pigskins, scientists theorizing on ESPN, and even government officials weighing in on the firmness of our nation’s footballs. The icing on the cake for me was seeing advertisers rushing to cash in on the chaos with their own best shot at a clever commercial. Krispy Kreme was one of the most notable. I even saw Maker’s Mark take an awkward shot at it. (Just another reason I prefer Jack Daniels.) And of course, it’s not a scandal until you throw a “-gate” on the end of it. Oh, and it rhymes. Bingo. Deflategate.

As an NFL player, watching Deflategate unfold (maybe explode is the better word) has been all the more surreal. I should have all the answers about how a football is supposed to look and feel. As a defensive end, however, when it comes to possessing the football, I’m just a fan with really good seats. I’ve probably handled the pigskin in a game about five times in seven years. The ball could turn into a small house pet in my hands and I wouldn’t notice. When I’m lucky enough to get the ball, I’m one of those kid-on-Christmas-morning defensive players who’s just trying not to pull a Leon Lett.

I’ve probably handled the pigskin in a game about five times in seven years. The ball could turn into a small house pet in my hands and I wouldn’t notice.

You want to know who handles the football more than anyone on the field? The refs. I’m not only talking about the pre-game inspection process. I’m talking about throughout the game, in between every play. Now, I’m not saying that an NFL referee should be a human psi (pounds per square inch) reading machine. (Silicon Valley, get on that.) But if a football feels so obviously different at 11 psi than it does at 13.5 psi — enough to argue that it lends a team a competitive advantage — maybe the best officials on the planet should have noticed something was awry that night at Gillette.

Another thing that was awry that night was the weather. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, who’ve been playing together in the AFC East for the last 15 years, know something about cold, wet weather. They seem to play their best when the temperature drops and snow or rain is falling. So if you believe Tom and Bill have been using deflated footballs, game in and game out, for a decade and a half, why is this the first time we’re hearing about it? That’s all the way back to 2001. You know how long ago that was? The first PT Cruiser came out in 2001. Creed was killing it in 2001. So either the Patriots have been doctoring footballs in every big game since Mulholland Drive was in theaters, or they’ve simply mastered the art of winning no matter the conditions.

Deflategate has also turned a lot of people into scientists. The scientist in me (also known as the dude who googles stuff) can see valid points on both sides of Deflategate. One guy I noticed last week was the host of the ESPN’s Sport Science, John Brenkus (a trustworthy University of Virginia grad at that). He concluded that “underinflated balls had a miniscule effect on any given play.” As ESPN’s authority on the the intersection of physics and sports, I couldn’t help but wonder if he made the folks in Bristol a little uncomfortable. The mothership has tirelessly led the effort to make Deflategate a spectacle.

Regardless, those physics folks have tended to agree on one thing: Changes in temperature can alter game ball pressure, changing the magic psi number in a big way. Both teams’ game balls were examined at halftime. Why were 11 of 12 Patriots footballs underinflated at the half while all of the Colts’ footballs remained “normal”? Common sense says that it’s likely there was some sort of human intervention, from someone in the Patriots camp. (Who it was, and why they did it, will give us a better idea of the necessary punishment.) But hypothetically, what if a team naturally prefers their footballs more inflated? They could overinflate the game balls to balance for the loss of pressure in the colder temperatures. That would be ludicrous right? What kind of idiot likes more air in their footballs?

A guy named Aaron Rodgers does. He likes them inflated to the max. Aaron Rodgers has reportedly said that he likes to “push the limit” on football air pressure. I feel sorry for Jordy Nelson catching those bullets up there in that brisk Green Bay climate. Then again I don’t because it must be nice having the best quarterback in the league throwing you passes, and the best quarterback also seems to employ a bit of gamesmanship. As Brenkus said this week on Sport Science, an overinflated football actually travels faster. How’s that for an advantage?
Doctoring of game balls is nothing new — it’s just new to the public (and new to guys like me who, sadly, never get to tote the rock).

So it seems that the doctoring of game balls is nothing new — it’s just new to the public (and new to guys like me who, sadly, never get to tote the rock). As recently as this November, cameras caught the Panthers and Vikings using sideline heaters to heat up their footballs because game temperatures were hovering in the teens. According to NFL VP of Officiating Dean Blandino, this was a violation of league rules. But what kind of violation — a grievous ethical one, or something more gray? Another example: former Buccaneers QB Brad Johnson has admitted paying $7,500 to have his footballs doctored to his specifications for Super Bowl XXXVII, a game in which the Bucs cruised to a 48-21 victory. He freely and openly offered up that information. No one’s calling Brad Johnson’s legacy into question (and they shouldn’t).

The thing about Deflategate is that you can marshal an argument to support each and every side. You might think I’m carrying water for the Patriots, but I’m actually not. As an NFL player, I can admire Brady’s career and still ask critical questions. Someone defending the Patriots could point out that the Pats outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half, after the deflated footballs had been replaced. (It was a competitive game, at 17-7, at the end of the first half.) They could also bring up the fact that two out of three of Brady’s TD passes came in the second half, or that his only interception came in the first. Brady also threw for more yards in the second half (131 versus 95) and had eight fewer incompletions.

Basically, the change didn’t seem to rattle him. Maybe this sample size is too small to prove a point. I’m sure, however, that if the Patriots had played miserably in the second half and lost the game, everyone calling for an asterisk next to the busts of Belichick and Brady in Canton would lead with that argument.

And what about the run game? What effect does a football’s pressure have on a team’s rushing? LeGarrette Blount rushed for 148 yards and the Patriots didn’t fumble once that night. For years now, the Patriots have been elite when it comes to protecting the football. I’ve heard stories of the Patriots running drills with soaking wet, slick footballs. My college coach and good friend Al Groh is one of the tougher branches on the Belichick coaching tree, so I’m familiar with this style of coaching. As another coach told me, you get what you emphasize. This emphasis has been paying off for years. But that’s just the football player in me talking.

This story isn’t as much about air pressure as it is about the cult of the New England Patriots.

Let’s get down to it: this story isn’t as much about air pressure as it is about the cult of the New England Patriots. The Patriots are really good at two things: winning football games and not giving a shit what you think about them. This modus operandi has earned the Patriots an equal number of fans and haters. One thing that drives people crazy is Belichick’s “less is more” school of media engagement. Media relations, after all, is a game. It involves three parties: the teams, the media and the fans. All three groups know it’s a game, but if a player or a coach doesn’t play ball, people get pissed. Bill Belichick is not only a Hall of Fame coach, but he is also the undisputed heavyweight champion when it comes to flustering members of the media. I find it hard to believe Deflategate would be as big of a story without Belichick and Brady as the villains.
Anybody heard about the recent Cleveland Browns texting allegations? I didn’t think so.

It all came to a crescendo this week, as all eyes were fixed on Foxborough. This had to be it. We’d finally see contrition. We’d get our coveted admission of guilt. We’d finally see Tom Brady and Bill Belichick sheepishly take the podium and whisper “mercy.” But all Tom and Bill proceeded to do was twist the knife. Tom stuck to his story. And so did Bill. Days later, Belichick stole the show by calling an impromptu press conference and pulling the ultimate “have some” maneuver: he made the media wait, strolled in on his own schedule and went all Isaac Newton. The media, longing to get Coach Belichick’s time and attention for years, finally had it: in the form of a physics lesson. It was beautiful.

I never thought a story about the science of football could be so entertaining, thought provoking and funny. (I even stumbled upon an article titled “What Can I Tell My Kids About Deflategate?” so you can add “disturbing” to this list of adjectives.) This mess will change the future of the league. Starting after the Super Bowl. The least self-serving thing the NFL can do mid-Super Bowl week is release some damning grainy video of sideline footage — if they have it. You’d also better believe sideline protocol will be forever changed. League officials will sit in some crow’s nest in NYC monitoring the sideline like Saul in Homeland. (Look on the bright side, at least this might create jobs.)
Bill Belichick is not only a Hall of Fame coach, but he is also the undisputed heavyweight champion when it comes to flustering members of the media.

The real storyline this week should be about one of the most exciting, evenly matched Super Bowls in recent memory. It should be about Brady and Belichick’s last and best chance to take their place in history alongside Noll and Bradshaw, Walsh and Montana. But as usual, some members of the media chose to go after the low hanging fruit.

I’m not saying the Patriots should skate free. If it comes out that the Patriots are guilty of bending or breaking league rules, they should be punished. But we should wait for an investigation to play out. Even today, Patriots owner Robert Kraft doubled down on the the team’s innocence, maintaining he believes “unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate.”

No matter what comes of this, I don’t think I’ll be questioning the Patriots’ legacy. But that’s just one man’s opinion. Football is a profoundly difficult game. You could pair countless quarterbacks with countless head coaches and give them a bag of magic footballs and they’d still struggle to win a playoff game. Tom and Bill have won 20 (a record), with an ever-changing cast of characters in an ever-changing league. This Sunday’s Super Bowl may be one of their most difficult tasks yet. The Seahawks are as physical and complete a football team as I’ve seen in my seven years in the league. Beating them takes a hell of an effort. As a player, I know. We’ve been fortunate enough to beat them a few times, and we’ve always appreciated how special it was.

I know this for sure: the most perfect, pristine footballs of all time will be flying around that field in Glendale, Arizona this weekend. If the smoke clears on Monday and the Patriots are world champions, my hope is that everyone will appreciate the Patriots for sustaining one of the great runs by a franchise in league history. Either way, Bill Belichick won’t care what you think.

Chris Long
Social Media Editor
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Hopefully this guy can still play... :coffee:
 
Albert Breer ✔ ‎@AlbertBreer
Duke 30 for 30 was amazing/infuriating. Looking back at how stupid a segment of the media and public look should be a lesson for everyone.

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NFL didn't check PSI in spot checks this year

By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston

BOSTON (CBS) — You have got to be kidding me.

On Thursday — in March of 2016, in Month 15 of an all-out war waged over allegedly underinflated footballs — an NFL executive has claimed that the league didn’t even check for air pressure in footballs during the 2015 season.

Nope, Troy Vincent said. They weren’t worried about air pressure. Just protocol.

“We focus on procedure, balls being brought to the stadium,” Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president, told The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin in a conference call Thursday. “There was no violation of game balls being checked in at the appropriate time. There was no violation of game balls being in the officials locker room, being brought to the field, back to the locker rooms at halftime, and then the balls being brought back to the locker room post game. So it’s the procedure of the balls themselves.”

This all goes back to commissioner Roger Goodell stating at his Super Bowl press conference that in the “spot checks” at randomly selected games throughout the season, “no violations” were found.

Of course, every scientist who was not receiving a paycheck from the NFL has noted in the past 15 months that science dictates that footballs would lose air pressure when taken from a warm environment into a cold environment. In fact, even the NFL seemed to acknowledge this when ESPN reported prior to a playoff game in frigid Minneapolis that the footballs would be switched at halftime to avoid playing with footballs with low air pressure.

But, apparently, even though the NFL was worried about PSI that day in Minnesota, the league is claiming it was not worried about it. The league was just worried about protocol. What are you going to do about it?

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The science was key all along … until the NFL could no longer control the science. And more than likely, when the NFL tested the PSI of footballs at “random” games throughout the year, the league found that — gasp — science actually exists. PSI numbers fluctuate. MIT professors weren’t inventing basic science.

So, as has been the case throughout the whole mess, the NFL is moving the goalposts. Now, only violations of the pregame protocol were being checked in 2015, and unsurprisingly, no ball boys went gallivanting around stadiums this year after seeing World War III play out between the NFL and the Patriots.

And, just as has been the case all along, Vincent and the NFL made no note of the NFL actually violating protocol themselves. You may remember that Scott Zolak reported that the officials for the Chiefs-Patriots playoff game forgot their air pressure gauges AND THE KICKING BALLS FOR THE GAME back in their hotel room in Boston. Whoops! No violation there, though. NFL employees have never acted improperly, according to the NFL.

It’s all startling but entirely unsurprising. If you get a chance, go back and read Jeffrey Kessler’s questioning of Troy Vincent back at Tom Brady’s appeal hearing in New York last June (it begins on page 228). Kessler ran mental laps around Vincent, getting the executive in charge of “integrity of the game” to admit that there was literally no basis of knowledge on which the NFL could have leaned to conclude that the Patriots had illicitly deflated footballs.
(more in article)
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/03/...focus-on-psi-with-spot-checks-in-2015-season/
 
bishbash said:
By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston

BOSTON (CBS) — You have got to be kidding me.

On Thursday — in March of 2016, in Month 15 of an all-out war waged over allegedly underinflated footballs — an NFL executive has claimed that the league didn’t even check for air pressure in footballs during the 2015 season.

Nope, Troy Vincent said. They weren’t worried about air pressure. Just protocol.

“We focus on procedure, balls being brought to the stadium,” Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president, told The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin in a conference call Thursday. “There was no violation of game balls being checked in at the appropriate time. There was no violation of game balls being in the officials locker room, being brought to the field, back to the locker rooms at halftime, and then the balls being brought back to the locker room post game. So it’s the procedure of the balls themselves.”

This all goes back to commissioner Roger Goodell stating at his Super Bowl press conference that in the “spot checks” at randomly selected games throughout the season, “no violations” were found.

Of course, every scientist who was not receiving a paycheck from the NFL has noted in the past 15 months that science dictates that footballs would lose air pressure when taken from a warm environment into a cold environment. In fact, even the NFL seemed to acknowledge this when ESPN reported prior to a playoff game in frigid Minneapolis that the footballs would be switched at halftime to avoid playing with footballs with low air pressure.

But, apparently, even though the NFL was worried about PSI that day in Minnesota, the league is claiming it was not worried about it. The league was just worried about protocol. What are you going to do about it?

.............................

The science was key all along … until the NFL could no longer control the science. And more than likely, when the NFL tested the PSI of footballs at “random” games throughout the year, the league found that — gasp — science actually exists. PSI numbers fluctuate. MIT professors weren’t inventing basic science.

So, as has been the case throughout the whole mess, the NFL is moving the goalposts. Now, only violations of the pregame protocol were being checked in 2015, and unsurprisingly, no ball boys went gallivanting around stadiums this year after seeing World War III play out between the NFL and the Patriots.

And, just as has been the case all along, Vincent and the NFL made no note of the NFL actually violating protocol themselves. You may remember that Scott Zolak reported that the officials for the Chiefs-Patriots playoff game forgot their air pressure gauges AND THE KICKING BALLS FOR THE GAME back in their hotel room in Boston. Whoops! No violation there, though. NFL employees have never acted improperly, according to the NFL.

It’s all startling but entirely unsurprising. If you get a chance, go back and read Jeffrey Kessler’s questioning of Troy Vincent back at Tom Brady’s appeal hearing in New York last June (it begins on page 228). Kessler ran mental laps around Vincent, getting the executive in charge of “integrity of the game” to admit that there was literally no basis of knowledge on which the NFL could have leaned to conclude that the Patriots had illicitly deflated footballs.
(more in article)
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/03/...focus-on-psi-with-spot-checks-in-2015-season/
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Troy Vincent is a DOPE. A complete and total TOOL.

I really hope Kessler is submitting these quotes from Vincent to the three judges.
 
One should think the owners would see how much easier it would be to just throw this case in the garbage and end it by saying the evidence is insufficient.

Bet here we are. The league still trying to find a way to turn the tables, and the millions are pouring down the drain.
 
So what exactly what Tom guilty of then?

Apparently he was guilty of cheating by requesting the PSI of his footballs be lowered. Oh, but wait, the PSI isn't actually a big deal so that can't be it.

So then he was guilty of cheating by asking his attendants to break protocol by handling the balls when/where they shouldn't. But wait, is that actually cheating? How does a person cheat by breaking protocol if the end result of that broken protocol (alterations in PSI) is of no consequence to the league.

So Tom supporting breaking protocol. Which is somehow cheating, even though cheating implies a competitive edge which could only be determined by caring about PSI's impact on the game (which the NFL now says doesn't matter). And that is worth the suspension and draft picks?

If this episode was released as a movie, critics would walk out halfway through and write about "plot holes" and "Swiss cheese" until the cows come home...
 
mooseontheloose said:
So then he was guilty of cheating by asking his attendants to break protocol by handling the balls when/where they shouldn't. But wait, is that actually cheating? How does a person cheat by breaking protocol if the end result of that broken protocol (alterations in PSI) is of no consequence to the league.
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Errr....nope. The strict ball "handling" protocols weren't put in place until last July, long after Tommy's supposed crimes took place.
 
bishbash said:
Errr....nope. The strict ball "handling" protocols weren't put in place until last July, long after Tommy's supposed crimes took place.
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Ya, I'm more speaking to the logic of the NFL's thought process rather than the actual 'crime'.

But let's play this out even more.

When Tom did what he supposedly did, the 'protocol' rules weren't in place yet as you say. So at that point in time the only thing Tom was accused of was cheating. By lowering PSI in the footballs.

But the NFL to this day still hasn't determined Tom and the Pats were responsible and not the weather.

Furthermore, the NFL to this day DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PSI. The new protocols do not measure PSI. The air in the balls is of no consequence to the league as the new rules govern ball handling protocols and not the actual byproduct of the handling (PSI).

So Tom cheated by manipulating PSI. Which, one year later, the NFL still does not test for (by choice), basically admitting it doesn't matter. So how did Tom cheat? What exactly did he do that was cheating or detrimental to the game? You can't say that someone cheated by manipulating X (PSI) if you as an organization don't give a shit about X.

The sheer number of leaps in logic one must embrace to buy into the NFL's side of DG is truly mind-boggling. How these clowns can still operate in the public arena without being torn to shreds on a daily basis is astounding.

This would be akin to changing the drug policy to monitor a protocol which bans needle injections (but doesn't test for PEDs) and then claiming a player 'cheated' (implying a competitive edge) when it was revealed he had a needle mark on his arm. Unless you test for the byproduct of that broken protocol to establish an actual competitive edge (ie. presence of a PED rather than a vaccination), the infraction is nothing more than a procedural error and in no way an act of cheating.
 
More on this from Hurley. The NFL has just become officially shameless.

Troy Vincent — And By Extension, Roger Goodell — Caught In Another Case Of DeflateGate Deceit

March 18, 2016 9:38 AM

By Michael Hurley, CBS Boston

BOSTON (CBS) — When Troy Vincent said on Thursday that the NFL checked only for violations of pregame handling of football and not the PSI numbers, he was telling a lie. Or, at best, he was stretching the truth and, with it, the bounds of credulity.

Here’s exactly what the NFL said would be a part of the new protocol when it was announced last summer. From the official NFL Operations website:

At designated games, selected at random, the game balls used in the first half will be collected by the K-Ball Coordinator at halftime, and the League’s Security Representative will escort the KBC with the footballs to the Officials’ Locker room. During halftime, each game ball for both teams will be inspected in the locker room by designated members of the officiating and security crews, and the PSI results will be measured and recorded. Once measured, those game balls will then be secured and removed from play.
And later:

All game ball information will be recorded on the Referee’s Report, which must be submitted to the League office by noon on the day following the game.
The NFL announced that as part of its new protocol for handling footballs, the PSI results would be measured and recorded.

Presumably, the NFL was hoping to prove the Ideal Gas Law to be a fairytale. Alas, science is real, and the results likely showed that many, many footballs tested at halftime came in under the 12.5 PSI threshold. (Heck, Colts footballs on the very night of the incident measured lower than 12.5 PSI.) And so, the NFL has changed its tune.

“We focus on procedure, balls being brought to the stadium,” Vincent, the NFL’s executive vice president, said on Thursday. “There was no violation of game balls being checked in at the appropriate time. … It’s the procedure of the balls themselves.”

That’s what the NFL claims these inspections — now referred to as “spot checks,” thanks to commissioner Roger Goodell — were about. Forget the 100 pages from Exponent in the Wells report, forget the leaking of false PSI numbers to ESPN, forget the providing of false PSI numbers to the Patriots, forget the NFL media report that PSI was tested at halftime of a Titans-Patriots game at Gillette, and forget the dozens of highly regarded scientific minds who noted that the footballs that January night in Foxboro were in line with what was to be expected from the Ideal Gas Law. Forget it all, because the NFL wants you to forget it.

Of course, the shift of focus is nothing new. The NFL remained largely silent on the topic of recording PSI in footballs throughout the season, until Goodell spoke on the Rich Eisen Show and changed the inspection to “spot checks.”

“We do spot checks to prevent and make sure the clubs understand that we’re watching these issues,” Goodell said in February. “It wasn’t a research study. They simply were spot checks. There were no violations this year.”

A few days later at his press conference, Goodell was pressured by CSNNE’s Tom E. Curran to answer what exactly constituted a violation. Goodell, predictably, talked in circles, before saying this:

“We will look at that type of procedure and make sure there is no violation. We don’t disclose all the specifics of that because it’s meant as a deterrent. It’s a deterrent when [teams] think that game may be checked.”

Goodell did admit that PSI data was recorded.

“It’s also important that the data that was collected was not for research,” Goodell said. “Data was collected just to see if there was a violation. Our people never found a violation, no accusations of a violation.”

Mind you, there was no violation because the NFL decided to change the definition of a “violation.” In January 2015, a “violation” constituted having a bunch of unqualified people haphazardly stick pressure gauges into footballs and ascribe guilt. Now, after science was proven to exist in the universe, a “violation” involves removing the footballs from the officials’ locker room early.

VP of officiating Dean Blandino also said that the league did indeed record PSI data.

“We did spot checks throughout the year, and we measured PSI levels and recorded that information,” Blandino said during Super Bowl week. “So right now, we’re evaluating the information. We didn’t have any violations this year, but again we’re still in that evaluation phase to look at the information and then we’ll see what that tells us.”

What the data told them was that it’s high time to change the accusations and charges against the Patriots, because the PSI charges — aka the basis of the entire punishment — didn’t actually hold any water in the real world. If Mike Kensil, Vincent and all the officials present for the sloppy measuring of PSI in the Gillette Stadium officials’ locker room hadn’t jumped to conclusions based solely on PSI recordings, then the Patriots would never have been found to have committed a “violation.”

Alas, the league continues to fight tooth-and-nail in a case that has cost them more than $12.5 million of wasted money.

For the record, Blandino has lied publicly before about DeflateGate. Vincent has chastised the NFLPA for spending money on court cases instead of helping former players, majestically unaware of the burning duplicity. In an official written ruling to uphold a suspension, Roger Goodell lied about Tom Brady’s testimony. NFL senior VP of operations Dave Gardi lied to the Patriots when he told them that a football measured in at 10.1 PSI when in fact, none had measured that low. And the whole NFL operation touted the “independence” of Ted Wells for months before finally dropping that charade while citing client-attorney privilege during the appeal process.

Just tally this one as another lie for the league, which continues to paint Tom Brady and the Patriots as evil villains for committing the sinful act of … lying. The hypocrisy is thicker than pig fat.

You can email Michael Hurley or find him on Twitter @michaelFhurley.
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chevss454 said:
Letter to the NFL owners from Jim Derochea who is driving a campaign to get our picks back. He makes some good points imo, not that it will do any good. :coffee:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByaQ59L9tF6_amNHTF9QRGZSdFU/view
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Over the weekend I saw Tom E Curran interview Peter King. Curran had heard some rumblings that Kraft may ask for his draft picks back at the owners' meeting going on now in Florida. King said there's 0 chance the Pats will get the picks back.

My question...WHY NOT?

If Berman's ruling is upheld and Brady isn't suspended & since there's no proof that Brady did anything & since the club did nothing wrong, why wouldn't the picks be returned? Is this simply a matter of Goodell being stubborn or is there another reason the picks won't/can't be returned?

King also said that although commissioners are normally voted into the HOF, there's no way Goodell gets voted in bc of his last 3 tumultuous years unless he does some great stuff the rest of his career.
 
chevss454 said:
King also said that although commissioners are normally voted into the HOF, there's no way Goodell gets voted in bc of his last 3 tumultuous years unless he does some great stuff the rest of his career.
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Goodell.....voted in..........to HOF........

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PatsFanLisa said:
The fault lies with the fact that his in-house counsel, Jeffrey Pash, advised him to run with this and furthered his advise to Roger by pursuing Exponent and Wells, giving them HIS agenda.
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BS. Given the complete lack of support from the owner, our fate was sealed the minute Kensil told our guy we were ****ed on the sideline after halftime. There was never going to be any backing down from a public declaration like that. With Kraft's "wet tissue paper" defense strategy, a chimp with a typewriter could have been Goodell's adviser and we'd still be in the same spot we are right now.
 
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