2020 - Playoff Thread

It's a bit early, but we can track movements up and down the likely fixtures week by week.

If the season ended now, this is what we'd get with the new 7 teams per conference format. Only 1st seed gets the bye. Some intriguing matchups, in the AFC I think our Buffalo pals would be a bit nervous going up against the Browns. Which is some statement to make.

 

Hmmmm.

I think Arians has to. lol. I mean I am sure Brady did some things in NE, but they had a goat coach. Arians needs Brady to do that because he is not on the level of Belichick. What Brady brought over was 19 years experience under Belichick. I'm sure Arians was grateful. I know there are different types of coaches, some are quiet, some say a lot more than they should.

 

I agree.

Is Tom a better coach than BB? Nope. Is he better than Bruce? Maybe lol.

If Arians is humble enough to realize that Tom's 20+ year career and experience with BB makes him a coaching asset, then it only makes sense to give him room to run with it in the locker room. BB likely needed Tom to be a leader but not a coach. I don't see how that's a criticism of BB though. I assume most coaches aren't letting their QBs coach their offenses.

 

I agree.

Is Tom a better coach than BB? Nope. Is he better than Bruce? Maybe lol.

If Arians is humble enough to realize that Tom's 20+ year career and experience with BB makes him a coaching asset, then it only makes sense to give him room to run with it in the locker room. BB likely needed Tom to be a leader but not a coach. I don't see how that's a criticism of BB though. I assume most coaches aren't letting their QBs coach their offenses.

I don't think Arians was implying that Brady was coaching from the sideline but more his work the young players which Arians has mentioned multiple times this year. He said it was like having a second coach and that he appreciated it because the players respond to him so well.

That all being said, this team is 100 percent Brady's team. He changed the culture, changed the attitude, etc. This level of success is all him.

 

I don't think Arians was implying that Brady was coaching from the sideline but more his work the young players which Arians has mentioned multiple times this year. He said it was like having a second coach and that he appreciated it because the players respond to him so well.

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that Arians suggesting BB should have let Tom coach more ignores the fact that BB is in another league than Arians. Who knows, maybe Tom could have helped BB but it's not apples to apples.

I'll give Arians credit for taking the help where he needs it though, but acting like BB should have done the same is pretty hilarious.

 

I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that Arians suggesting BB should have let Tom coach more ignores the fact that BB is in another league than Arians. Who knows, maybe Tom could have helped BB but it's not apples to apples.

I'll give Arians credit for taking the help where he needs it though, but acting like BB should have done the same is pretty hilarious.

A great coach is one that recognizes the talents of his players and let's them display those talents to help the team. Bill is far from infallible. I think this year has taught us that in spades.

 

A great coach is one that recognizes the talents of his players and let's them display those talents to help the team. Bill is far from infallible. I think this year has taught us that in spades.

And Bill didn't do that with Tom?

 

And Bill didn't do that with Tom?

It deteriorated at the end. One of the reasons Brady left and went to Tampa was because he would have more control over the offense. I found this tweets from Gary Meyers from back in the off-season. Pretty telling.


View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880879813525507



View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880880753053697

 

Brady having success with Tampa is not just about Talent, talent got them 7-9 last year. There is more to winning than Talent. I see teams in the league that are big time talented and do not win much. Brady brought that team more than what he does with his arm, and right now that is missing in NE. I am not going to guess how many more wins they would have, but Brady has been on NE teams that were iffy on talent and still won more than they should. I think people underestimate some of the things he does for teams beyond throwing the ball. Arians has said he is another coach, and players draw to him. Its going to be awhile to replace that in NE. You can get a talented good QB in here and we can win some games, but to ever have the success that we once have, that is going to be hard to achieve. You say Cam ran in 12 td's, No Brady ran in 3 this year, so thats not 12, but he does this thing called throwing td's that seems to work pretty well. So do I think the pats would be 29th in scoring this year? No. You have to have a passing game in this league, ask the Ravens. No matter how many 100 yard games Lamar put up, they still reach a point where Passing is needed, and Cam could not get that part done.

I said that in earlier post, that great QBs bring an X-Factor that can lift all players. Peyton did it with the Donks as I said.

What is undeniable is that the Bucs have far greater offensive weapons than NE and Tom is making the most of them. Surely that is not up for debate.....

 

A great coach is one that recognizes the talents of his players and let's them display those talents to help the team. Bill is far from infallible. I think this year has taught us that in spades.

We all have different perspectives. I think he showed this year what a superior coach he is considering how bad this team was. Getting 7 wins out of this team considering all the obstacles is quite a feat, but since he has 8 SBs in his resume, this will go down as just a side note.

 

It deteriorated at the end. One of the reasons Brady left and went to Tampa was because he would have more control over the offense. I found this tweets from Gary Meyers from back in the off-season. Pretty telling.


View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880879813525507



View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880880753053697

So you would have liked Tom to have more of a coaching role last season? And what would Tom the coach have been able to achieve exactly with the poor offensive roster?

 

It deteriorated at the end. One of the reasons Brady left and went to Tampa was because he would have more control over the offense. I found this tweets from Gary Meyers from back in the off-season. Pretty telling.


View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880879813525507



View: https://twitter.com/GaryMyersNY/status/1259880880753053697

Odd since Brady himself vehemently denied that he had issues with McDaniels after that article.

 

So you would have liked Tom to have more of a coaching role last season? And what would Tom the coach have been able to achieve exactly with the poor offensive roster?

I don't think it was all one thing or the other. Clearly it was a combo - no contract extension, poor roster, less input on the game plans, etc.

I suppose it is pretty obvious as Tampa has given him all those things and more. That is why they are in the NFCCG now. And Kudos for Arians for putting his pride aside and letting Tom do his thing. Most HCs would never do that but he recognized what he has in Brady and let him have more control and it has paid off big time.

 

So you would have liked Tom to have more of a coaching role last season? And what would Tom the coach have been able to achieve exactly with the poor offensive roster?

I think this is getting away from what the actual case was in my opinion. I think Bill and Brady were very much involved with the offense, and I am sure Belichick listened to Brady's view point on the offense, and the gameplan, etc etc. I am also sure Brady had a lot of input to the offense considering he was here 19 years. Now is that coaching? Probably not really, I assume QB's that are in that realm on other teams have the same. Where this got weird is when Arians said Brady is coaching and he was not allowed to do that in NE. I am not sure what he means by that. What is Brady doing now that he was not able to do in NE? What was this forbidden thing that Bill was steadfast in not letting him do?
I am not sure if Arians is just not used to a QB that that has that much input to the offense, although he did coach Peyton, but I guess I am confused by what he means by coaching or what Brady was not allowed to do.

I mean had he said, man Brady is like another coaching on the field, blah blah blah, then this is not a thing. But saying he is coaching in Tampa and was not allowed to in NE, yeah I guess I dont get that one.

As far as this talent thing. Yeah the pats need more talent on offense, they have needed more talent on offense for a long time. You can only coach up something so much, at some point players have to play. At times, Brady was able to
get more out of lesser talent and that worked out well with no having to spend a lot of money in that area. But again at some point, you can only do so much. It helped a lot over the years that Brady was able to do a bit more with less, and I am sure Bill used that to his advantage by working more toward the defense, etc. Bill has never really been the offensive type of coach that goes crazy on offense like some other coaches too. He was more about getting talent on defense, that is the type of coach he is, and its good, but I think at times he might have ignored the offense a little too much. I said before that some things would have to change after Brady left, and that there was going to have to be more attention paid to the offense than it was before as far as getting good players in there, and that is true. We will see how that goes moving forward.

 

What a zinger from Arians. It is all over our talk radio today. When you win, you get to talk. It is going to be a looong off-season for Bill.

Arians hasn't won shit though.

 

Arians hasn't won shit though.

Sadly Arians will get a lot of credit for the year Tampa had. Coaches are an odd bunch when it comes to the credit they get. If you coach a team to a 6-10 7-9 record and then the next year you go 11-5, 12-4, You are in the coach of the year running. If you coach 10 years straight with 10 or more wins, you are not. You literally have to lose first and then win to get Credit. To me Bill should be coach of the year every year, but that is not how it works. So Arians gets the credit for going 11-5 this year and a tip to the NFC title game after a 7-9 season.

 

well yes, he's won games this year...i mean he has 0 rings as a hc. he did get to the playoffs with carson mediocre/overrated palmer too though.

 

Sadly Arians will get a lot of credit for the year Tampa had. Coaches are an odd bunch when it comes to the credit they get. If you coach a team to a 6-10 7-9 record and then the next year you go 11-5, 12-4, You are in the coach of the year running. If you coach 10 years straight with 10 or more wins, you are not. You literally have to lose first and then win to get Credit. To me Bill should be coach of the year every year, but that is not how it works. So Arians gets the credit for going 11-5 this year and a tip to the NFC title game after a 7-9 season.

Brady has been getting all the credit for this season. Deservedly so. Arians waited way too long to switch the offense to Brady's bread and butter plays.

 

Brady has been getting all the credit for this season. Deservedly so. Arians waited way too long to switch the offense to Brady's bread and butter plays.

There were times, that it would be like 3rd and 1, and Arians would call a 50 yard bomb down the sideline, that was happening a lot early on, and it was just awful. Arians had to let his ego go a bit.

 

I don't think Arians was implying that Brady was coaching from the sideline but more his work the young players which Arians has mentioned multiple times this year. He said it was like having a second coach and that he appreciated it because the players respond to him so well.

That all being said, this team is 100 percent Brady's team. He changed the culture, changed the attitude, etc. This level of success is all him.

And Brady learned how to instill such a culture from BB.


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And Brady learned how to instill such a culture from BB.


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Brady was the culture in NE.