Looking at the Patriots 2023

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king of kings said:
Hes not intrested in a discussion. Unless its to say BB is a Failure. I have posted repeatedly about Holding. BB accoutable for his decisions . What I liked about last 2 drafts. You saw Production out of Rookies . If Strange & Thornton don't show a improvement this season. They deserve to be criticized.
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Their improvement will have much to do with compadent coaching. as most of the issues they had last season can be traced to the intense failure of the offencive plan and play calling.
 
Curran is "reporting" that Mac's attempts to get outside help last season when things were going badly on offense really pissed BB off and BB is still sore about it. He also claims Hoyer was also opposed to Patricia and Judge and was vocal about it, saying they were doing nothing for Mac's development, and that's the reason Hoyer was let go in March even though the Patriots are still paying him $1.4 Million. They could have kept him until August, but they said no, you're gone.

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick reportedly still bothered by Mac Jones seeking outside help last season

Belichick reportedly hasn't gotten over Mac Jones's action to reach out to non-Patriots people for help during the 2022 season.
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Roberto71 said:
Curran is "reporting" that Mac's attempts to get outside help last season when things were going badly on offense really pissed BB off and BB is still sore about it. He also claims Hoyer was also opposed to Patricia and Judge and was vocal about it, saying they were doing nothing for Mac's development, and that's the reason Hoyer was let go in March even though the Patriots are still paying him $1.4 Million. They could have kept him until August, but they said no, you're gone.

www.boston.com

Patriots coach Bill Belichick reportedly still bothered by Mac Jones seeking outside help last season

Belichick reportedly hasn't gotten over Mac Jones's action to reach out to non-Patriots people for help during the 2022 season.
www.boston.com
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Bill being petty is disappointing.

That said, it was Curran so….
 
Roberto71 said:
Curran is "reporting" that Mac's attempts to get outside help last season when things were going badly on offense really pissed BB off and BB is still sore about it. He also claims Hoyer was also opposed to Patricia and Judge and was vocal about it, saying they were doing nothing for Mac's development, and that's the reason Hoyer was let go in March even though the Patriots are still paying him $1.4 Million. They could have kept him until August, but they said no, you're gone.

www.boston.com

Patriots coach Bill Belichick reportedly still bothered by Mac Jones seeking outside help last season

Belichick reportedly hasn't gotten over Mac Jones's action to reach out to non-Patriots people for help during the 2022 season.
www.boston.com
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Hoyer isn't a big loss, but, this story sounds logical.
 
Roberto71 said:
Curran is "reporting" that Mac's attempts to get outside help last season when things were going badly on offense really pissed BB off and BB is still sore about it. He also claims Hoyer was also opposed to Patricia and Judge and was vocal about it, saying they were doing nothing for Mac's development, and that's the reason Hoyer was let go in March even though the Patriots are still paying him $1.4 Million. They could have kept him until August, but they said no, you're gone.

www.boston.com

Patriots coach Bill Belichick reportedly still bothered by Mac Jones seeking outside help last season

Belichick reportedly hasn't gotten over Mac Jones's action to reach out to non-Patriots people for help during the 2022 season.
www.boston.com
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aloyouis said:
Bill being petty is disappointing.

That said, it was Curran so….
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Hoyer had been in the league 13 years. By then he had seen plenty of good coaching and probably some bad coaching as well. He knew Patricia was bad coaching.
Hoyer supported Mac and spoke up about the problem. Hoyer was meant to be a mentor and not a squeaky wheel. BB doesn't like squeaky wheels. He was expendable.
This part I believe.

The real issue here to me is whether BB is or was ever "pissed off at Mac Jones for going outside the building for advice on how to run the offense". Who would Mac reach out to?
Josh McD? Logical & I can understand BB being pissed about that.
Saban? Also logical, plus Saban would tell BB about any discussion between him and Mac & Saban also knows to keep it in house. No harm, no foul.

In the end, everyone can see BB's Patricia experiment failed miserably. BB may be pissed but he also owes an apology to Mac, the players and Kraft. My guess is that discussion with Kraft was held last January. "I miscalculated Patricia's ability." We'll never hear of anything remotely close to a public apology. BB keeps that stuff in house. Hiring BOB was an indirect admission of BB's mistake but I also believe hiring BOB for 2023 was the plan in 2022. Patricia was a bridge all along.
 
chevss454 said:
Hoyer had been in the league 13 years. By then he had seen plenty of good coaching and probably some bad coaching as well. He knew Patricia was bad coaching.
Hoyer supported Mac and spoke up about the problem. Hoyer was meant to be a mentor and not a squeaky wheel. BB doesn't like squeaky wheels. He was expendable.
This part I believe.

The real issue here to me is whether BB is or was ever "pissed off at Mac Jones for going outside the building for advice on how to run the offense". Who would Mac reach out to?
Josh McD? Logical & I can understand BB being pissed about that.
Saban? Also logical, plus Saban would tell BB about any discussion between him and Mac & Saban also knows to keep it in house. No harm, no foul.

In the end, everyone can see BB's Patricia experiment failed miserably. BB may be pissed but he also owes an apology to Mac, the players and Kraft. My guess is that discussion with Kraft was held last January. "I miscalculated Patricia's ability." We'll never hear of anything remotely close to a public apology. BB keeps that stuff in house. Hiring BOB was an indirect admission of BB's mistake but I also believe hiring BOB for 2023 was the plan in 2022. Patricia was a bridge all along.
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100%

Anything close to a public admission from Bill regarding Patricia would be seen in a very positive light I believe by the team and the fans. The issue is that Bill won’t be able to bring himself to do it.

In fact, if there is any truth to the “Bill is pissed at Mac“ stories it is indicative of Bill doing just the opposite. And that’s unfortunate.
 
aloyouis said:
100%

Anything close to a public admission from Bill regarding Patricia would be seen in a very positive light I believe by the team and the fans. The issue is that Bill won’t be able to bring himself to do it.

In fact, if there is any truth to the “Bill is pissed at Mac“ stories it is indicative of Bill doing just the opposite. And that’s unfortunate.
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Apparently all this happened early in the season before the Patricia situation played out fully. BB knew soon after that just as we all did. Patricia lost the offensive players.
 
chevss454 said:
Apparently all this happened early in the season before the Patricia situation played out fully. BB knew soon after that just as we all did. Patricia lost the offensive players.
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If a no nothing such as myself watching through the Internet and tv was able to see the train wreck early on then Bill had to see it way before that. But he let it go on and damage his team, his QB and waste a year of the careers of his players.

The further we get from it and the more we see what we thought was going on - actually was going on or worse, the more shock I feel about it.
 
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aloyouis said:
If a no nothing such as myself watching through the Internet and tv was able to see the train wreck early on then Bill had to see it way before that. But he let it go on and damage his team, his QB and waste a year of the careers of his players.

The further we get from it and the more we see what we thought was going on - actually was going on or worse, the more shock I feel about it.
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It was clear as day to anyone reading this forum by august how bad things were.
The people pointing it out continually got called trolls or Bucs fans.
 
rivshark86 said:
It was clear as day to anyone reading this forum by august how bad things were.
The people pointing it out continually got called trolls or Bucs fans.
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It's the internet. People are going to form opinions of you based on your posts. And based on your posts and my posts, IMO, you have a strong anti-Pats bias just as I have a pro-Pats bias. Wear your badge proudly. I do. :toast:

So how do you define a fan of a football team, any football team? I have a hard time calling you a fan of any team.

I look for the best in Patriots news and find it, and you look for and find the worst in the same news. The way you talk about the Pats is the same way I talk about the Jets. I definitely am NOT a Jets fan, and I don't think for a second that you're a Pats fan. Or any fan. I can't remember you saying much good about any team. It's all negative and depressing. For the record, though, I don't think you're a troll. You're not nearly malicious enough. I'd probably avoid you in the real world, but the internet isn't the real world, so here we are where civility and carping are beating the crap out of acceptance and tolerance.
 
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