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Seems that every coach goes through the grist mill when they are the winningness coach whether it be college or pro. Looking back at all the stuff brought up about Belichick when he was winning superbowls. Spygate, cheats and probably some will say that he knew of Hernandez's issues but kept it under the wraps because he is a game winner.
Not saying that what Myers did was right or wrong, true or false. If he hadn't built the program at Utah into a winning program, gone to Florida and done the same thing and appears to be at OSU, none of this stuff would be brought up.
 
Seems that every coach goes through the grist mill when they are the winningness coach whether it be college or pro. Looking back at all the stuff brought up about Belichick when he was winning superbowls. Spygate, cheats and probably some will say that he knew of Hernandez's issues but kept it under the wraps because he is a game winner.
Not saying that what Myers did was right or wrong, true or false. If he hadn't built the program at Utah into a winning program, gone to Florida and done the same thing and appears to be at OSU, none of this stuff would be brought up.

If it hadn't "been brought up" wouldn't it still have been totally wrong? You compare Meyer to BB. I think comparing Meyer to Eric Mangini wouldn't even be adequate, but much closer to the truth. Meyer ran the program he turned in. He basically orchestrated the violations, then turned Florida for his own transgressions.
 
If it hadn't "been brought up" wouldn't it still have been totally wrong? You compare Meyer to BB. I think comparing Meyer to Eric Mangini wouldn't even be adequate, but much closer to the truth. Meyer ran the program he turned in. He basically orchestrated the violations, then turned Florida for his own transgressions.

I'm not so sure he "ran" it. The Florida Galor's Alumni practically runs the athletic program. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason he left. You'd be surprise at the power that the Alumni's have in most colleges and universities.
 
Along with Carlos, we also have this:

According to Monroe County court records, Roby was arrested early yesterday morning in Bloomington and is facing preliminary charges of battery resulting in bodily injury. Sources told The Dispatch he was asked to leave a bar after a disturbance, refused, and was subdued by bouncers at the bar before being taken into custody.

Seems that every coach goes through the grist mill when they are the winningness coach whether it be college or pro. Looking back at all the stuff brought up about Belichick when he was winning superbowls. Spygate, cheats and probably some will say that he knew of Hernandez's issues but kept it under the wraps because he is a game winner.
Not saying that what Myers did was right or wrong, true or false. If he hadn't built the program at Utah into a winning program, gone to Florida and done the same thing and appears to be at OSU, none of this stuff would be brought up.

Bill Belichick did not have 31 arrests in six years, as Urban Meyer did, and continues along that path. Bill Belichick did not have coaches or awareness that his players had a pay-for-injury system, as other teams did. Bill Belichick doesn't coddle his players because they're good players, as Meyer has throughout his tenure at Florida.

You're barking up the wrong tree here. Urban Meyer is a self-serving, self-centered, egotistical, win-at-all-costs-with-no-remorse coach.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong in comparing the two.
 
I'm not so sure he "ran" it. The Florida Galor's Alumni practically runs the athletic program. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason he left. You'd be surprise at the power that the Alumni's have in most colleges and universities.

Bullshit.

Urban Meyer was the be all and end all of that program. He answered to nobody.
 
I'm not so sure he "ran" it. The Florida Galor's Alumni practically runs the athletic program. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason he left. You'd be surprise at the power that the Alumni's have in most colleges and universities.

Stop protecting your boy. It's obvious that he was in control of things. No doubt whatsoever.
 
The Truth About Aaron Hernandez and Urban Meyer

There is a side to every story. You can choose which to believe.
By BUDDY MARTIN

Go ahead – throw tomatoes at me. Call me a “homer.” You’ve got your mind made up about Urban Meyer and nothing I write is going to change that.

Let me try, anyway.

I saw Urban Meyer’s Florida football program from the inside for an entire season. Between the Gators’ two national championships, while writing his authorized biography, Urban’s Way, I was granted unparalleled access for a journalist.

I attended coaches meetings; observed dozens of closed practices; ate meals with the team, including during Family Night; rode the bus to the stadium with the team; ran through the tunnel on to Florida Field; sat inside the lockerroom during halftime, pre-game and post-game sessions; listened on the headsets as plays were called; conducted one-on-one interviews with every coach and several dozen players; and spoke off the record with school authorities about the off-field problems of every player who had been in trouble with the coaching staff or the law.

Like at almost all other programs, there were some issues with athletes at Florida. I wrote in the book about 17 players who had brushes with the law – most of them driving violations, suspended licenses, substance abuse or alcohol related incidents, or fights. There was only one case of a firearm which a player shot in the parking lot of bar, for which he was arrested, charged and dismissed from the team.

And before you ask, no, I wasn’t asked to pull any punches in the more than 130,000-word narrative published by Thomas Dunne Books/St. Martin’s Press in 2008.

As a condition, I did sign a confidentiality agreement, which I continue to honor. Only now, however, after the recent Aaron Hernandez scandal, do I come forward with some of this information.

So if Urban Meyer is undergoing Trial by Media, what are the charges? That he harbored the criminals? That he knowingly coddled renegade athletes and looked the other way at their indiscretions? Or that he was loose with facts about his intentions to leave the job at Florida and therefore hypocritically portrayed his program as clean when it was overrun by the criminal element? To the well-informed those charges are almost laughable.

If Meyer was harboring criminals or hiding axe murderers in helmets and pads, I must have overlooked them.

Now Meyer is being characterized by some critics as someone who recruited troubled players and allowed them to run amok – not at all what I saw or heard.

As a matter of fact, the “30” which is often used to define the Meyer as the number of players who had been arrested was not even the most in the SEC. That distinguished achievement belonged to Georgia.

There was this huge controversy over how Meyer left Florida for Ohio State, which some critics have tried to lump together with his Aaron Hernandez connection as Acts One and Two of a morality play. But if there was a conspiracy to fleece The Gator Nation and play a Jedi Mind Trick on the fans by pulling off a disappearing act from Gainesville, I’m sorry – I totally missed it, too.

How I know? I lived in his world for almost 12 months.

* * *
I was in the Meyer’s residence on numerous occasions and their lake home several more times. I went with the coaching staff to Longboat Key and cruised Tampa Bay on two occasions. And I was in contact with Urban on a regular basis.

Bitter fans and a few hardheaded columnists will continue to portray him as Jesse James and Benedict Arnold. But I can tell you first-hand that the Urban Meyer they claim to know is not the one I befriended starting in 2007.

Neither was he Al Capone.

Some suggest it was a promiscuous atmosphere around Meyer’s program which led to one of his former players becoming a major suspect in one or more murders.

I would not characterize Meyer’s program as “renegade” or “permissive.” In fact, I venture to say he and his coaches spent more time mentoring/babysitting their athletes than any coaching staff I’ve ever known.

This is not to deny Hernandez got in trouble at Florida. Some bloggers have implied that Hernandez failed multiple drug tests at UF – as many as nine – but Meyer and other insiders I spoke with say that’s grossly exaggerated. The records are sealed.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that Hernandez was among several Florida Gators questioned after Corey Smith was shot in the head at about 2:20 a.m. on Sept. 30, 2007, while driving a Crown Victoria past 1250 W. University Avenue.

According to the Orlando newspaper: “Two men were shot, including one in the head, prompting Gainesville police to categorize the incident as an attempted homicide. No charges have been filed and the case is still considered open.’

The man who drove Hernandez to the police station for questioning told me he sat downstairs for six hours awaiting the outcome. Hernandez was told by police they would get back to him. The next time they did, Hernandez had employed the services of prominent defense attorney Huntley Johnson. The Gainesville cops never interrogated Hernandez again.

When Urban broke his silence on the Hernandez case recently, he vehemently denied that his former tight end had a long rap sheet or was allowed to operate by a different set of standards as a Gator in Gainesville. When interviewed in Columbus: “He was questioned about being a witness (to a shooting), and he had an argument in a restaurant (in which Hernandez allegedly struck an employee in an argument over an unpaid bill), and he was suspended one game (reportedly for a failed marijuana test). Other than that, he was three years a good player. That was it.”
As for the reports that Hernandez failed multiple drug tests?

“This is absolutely not true,” said Meyer. “Hernandez was held to the same drug-testing policy as every other player.”

* * *
This is what I learned about how Hernandez got to Florida. He was recruited by an assistant coach from Connecticut, who knew of his checkered past.

Meyer balked at recruiting him. Partly because one of his assistant coaches was so passionate about signing Hernandez and partly because he became convinced “the mission” could change him, Meyer recapitulated.
Urban brought Hernandez to early morning bible study. He even assigned Aaron as Tebow’s roommate his first year and asked the Pouncey brothers, Mike and Maurkice, to stay close by his side.

Does this sound like a man coddling a criminal?

Or maybe like Patriots owner Robert Kraft and his celebrated coach Bill Belichick, perhaps Urban Meyer was “duped.”

* * *
I can’t say I really know Hernandez, but numerous times I had been in group with other media when he was interviewed. When I talked to Hernandez one-on-one for the Urban Meyer book, he was very expressive about his strong feeling for his coach. This is what I wrote:

” … As Tebow points out, part of the mission is helping young men get their lives on track. One of those most appreciative is Aaron Hernandez, who came to Florida in January 2006, just after his father had died. He was feeling lost and drifting, ‘headed down the wrong path,’ admitted Hernandez.

“I (Hernandez) had a little emptiness in me. He (Meyer) kind of filled it—a father figure, someone I could look up to,” said the junior tight end from Connecticut. “He was always there for me. Even when I made bad decisions, he always took me through them and taught me the right direction. And he showed me the love I needed at the right time.”

Only now has Hernandez come to understand why Urban Meyer was so hard on him for not paying attention to studies, or doing the wrong things off the field.

“He always wants the best for his players. Sometimes it seems like he doesn’t like you. He knows how to play mind games with you to make you reach your potential. Not many coaches in this world really care about their players. He cares about his players. Wants the best for them. Wants them to have a great education. Wants them to do stuff out of football once they’re done. He and I have a bond. I love him as a father figure as well as a coach.”

* * *
As to the inference that Meyer coddled the criminal element, it is true that his home was open to many players who often came over and swam in the Meyer’s pool, feasted on Shelley Meyer’s cupcakes and enjoyed family activities. Including Hernandez.

Would a man allow “criminals” to roam free in his home with his family?
Meyer demanded that all his position coaches “babysit” their players and know everything from their test scores, to their girl friends problems to their after-hours conduct.

Maybe Meyer could be charged with being naive enough to think he could help rehabilitate a soul in a Christian-like atmosphere where forgiveness is the underpinning.

Those who suggest that players with criminal records were held to a different standard should remember that a Heisman Trophy winner who won a national championship for Auburn was run out of the Florida program. Cam Newton was playing behind Tim Tebow when he quit school before he was about to be tossed out.

This isn’t to suggest Meyer ran a school for Girl Scouts.
Know this about his modus operandi: He will take every permissible competitive edge, but he abhors cheaters.

Continuing to recruit players who had verbally committed to other schools before they had signed a grant-in-aid didn’t win him any popularity contest with other coaches.

Media members were miffed that he wouldn’t go public with many of the team injuries – and would not comment on them. The Florida coach was accused of masking suspensions by holding out players with minor injuries.
This bred an air of suspicion and perhaps led to an assumption that Meyer had manipulated the truth when he quit as coach, came back, then announced his health was forcing him to get out of coaching, which he did for a year when he worked for ESPN as a college football analyst. When Ohio State came calling and Urban said “yes,” the I-told-you-sos lambasted him as a hypocrite and a liar.

I can tell you for a fact that Meyer did not orchestrate the Ohio State deal. In the second month of his 2011 season with ESPN, on a weekday, he invited me to come to his home for an off-the-record chat. He was cleared eyed, calm and had put back on about 15 pounds that he had lost due to stress. That day he openly admitted that he wanted to coach again one day but was enjoying broadcasting immensely. “Maybe in a couple of years,” he said of his coaching future.

He knew he wanted to coach again, but wasn’t ready to even tell his wife Shelley about it – let alone make a public pronouncement.
Meanwhile, he still had an office at the Florida athletic department and was sort of a good will ambassador for the program.

At that point, there were still rumors about Joe Paterno, pre-scandal, stepping down and that some alumni had targeted Urban as his successor. Penn State had never been on his so-called short list of coaching jobs, which included Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame.

* * *
In the end, all the legal hassles and problematic behavior of his athletes began to wear on Meyer.

With two national championships under his belt, Meyer had the program on elite status in December 2009. Then the bomb exploded. One of his star defensive players went to the birthday party of a teammate, had too much to drink and was found passed out in his car at a stoplight, motor running. Oddly enough, he wasn’t even known among his teammates as a drinker had rejected a ride from a designated driver.

Carlos Dunlap was kicked off the team just five days prior to the Dec. 5 SEC Championship Game vs. Alabama. That Saturday night, had the Gators beaten the Crimson Tide as they had the year before, Meyer had a legitimate shot at becoming the first college coach ever to win three BCS titles in four years. Instead, without Carlos Dunlap as a defender, Nick Saban’s team ran roughshod over the Gators, 32-13, and went on to win the national title. Maybe Dunlap’s presence would have altered that outcome, maybe not. But it certainly had a huge negative impact on the team and the coach.

Later that same night, Meyer fell out of bed clutching his chest and his wife called 911. He was hauled away in an ambulance thinking he was having a heart attack. A few days later he resigned. When he tried to come back, it was never the same. He left behind a legacy of 65 wins, 15 losses as the school’s winningest coach, plus two SEC trophies and a pair of crystal mementoes.

* * *
Read the rest of the story here
 
Meyer could have run for any public office in Florida and won. He owned that state for a time.
 
The only thing that article tells me is exactly what I said earlier: that Meyer was self-centered, self-serving, and egotistical. He allowed players with questionable backgrounds to come into his program thinking that his own Christianity could "save" them. The football program was his own personal "mission", and the players were his pawns.

Sorry, if you think that article is going to change my mind about him, it isn't. Just because he claims to be a Christian does not in and of itself make him a good person.

BTW, when Hernandez went back to the police station after that incident with his homeboys, the Pounceys, for questioning with his "prominent defense attorney", where exactly do you think the money came from to pay this lawyer?
 
The only thing that article tells me is exactly what I said earlier: that Meyer was self-centered, self-serving, and egotistical. He allowed players with questionable backgrounds to come into his program thinking that his own Christianity could "save" them. The football program was his own personal "mission", and the players were his pawns.

Sorry, if you think that article is going to change my mind about him, it isn't. Just because he claims to be a Christian does not in and of itself make him a good person.

BTW, when Hernandez went back to the police station after that incident with his homeboys, the Pounceys, for questioning with his "prominent defense attorney", where exactly do you think the money came from to pay this lawyer?

I guess once you formulate a notion or opinion of a person, not much is going to change it. For instance, I just don't like Payton Manning. I know he's a great quarterback, smart, a quick thinker at the line but I just don't like the guy. I do like his brother Eli.
 
I guess once you formulate a notion or opinion of a person, not much is going to change it. For instance, I just don't like Payton Manning. I know he's a great quarterback, smart, a quick thinker at the line but I just don't like the guy. I do like his brother Eli.

Yes, well, the actual facts about Urban Meyer's tenure in FL, his whistleblowing of the program now that he's gone, and his amazing ability to cover up/pay for criminal behavior has allowed me to formulate that opinion.

Unlike, of course, Peyton Manning, who is a great QB, smart, a good husband and father, and a very philanthropic human being who will throw people under the bus before he harbors bad behavior.

Eli, on the other hand, is a moron.
 
Yes, well, the actual facts about Urban Meyer's tenure in FL, his whistleblowing of the program now that he's gone, and his amazing ability to cover up/pay for criminal behavior has allowed me to formulate that opinion.

Unlike, of course, Peyton Manning, who is a great QB, smart, a good husband and father, and a very philanthropic human being who will throw people under the bus before he harbors bad behavior.

Eli, on the other hand, is a moron.

I do so love reading your opinions. You're enormously gifted at taking a novel and condensing it down to a short story with such eloquence. Well said.

Yes, Eli is a moron. And he's a sniveling mama's boy, too.
 
Unlike, of course, Peyton Manning, who is a great QB, smart, a good husband and father, and a very philanthropic human being who will throw people under the bus before he harbors bad behavior.

Eli, on the other hand, is a moron.


There's a trainer at Tennessee who would disagree with you about Peyton.

Hit the hammer on the head with Eli tho... :thumb:
 
There's a trainer at Tennessee who would disagree with you about Peyton.

Hit the hammer on the head with Eli tho... :thumb:

If he sat his naked ass down on my head, I'd disagree too! Good catch. He pretty much ruined her early career.
 
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9499059/ohio-state-buckeyes-suspend-rb-carlos-hyde

Meanwhile, true freshman tight end Marcus Baugh has been suspended from all team activities, stripped of offseason aid and will miss the first game of the season on Aug. 31 for his arrest for underage possession of alcohol and possessing fake identification.


Fellow freshman Tim Gardner has been sent home and won't be part of the program this season following the offensive lineman's arrest on Saturday for obstruction of official business.


"Swift, effective and fair discipline is the standard for our entire athletics program," athletic director Gene Smith said in a statement. "I applaud Coach Meyer for his immediate actions."


Information from BuckeyeNation's Austin Ward was used in this report.






From Urban Blight to Coach Choir. Give that Meyer an Oscar© :)
 
I guess once you formulate a notion or opinion of a person, not much is going to change it. For instance, I just don't like Payton Manning. I know he's a great quarterback, smart, a quick thinker at the line but I just don't like the guy. I do like his brother Eli.

Urban Meyer is a worse human being than Hitler was.
 
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