Patriots owner Robert Kraft will be charged in Florida prostitution sting

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bmooney54 said:
1. Paparazzi get pictures by trespassing all the time, i.e. illegally-obtained.
2. Copies of the video already exist.
3. At some point, it will come out.
4. Someone will either get paid for it, or they will simply release it at a time most damaging to the Pats/Kraft. Imagine fielding questions about getting cornholed on the day of the AFCC on say...the day before the AFCC?
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I'm actually with you to an extent on this one. After all, consider the following:

https://roguerocket.com/2019/05/13/...journalist-who-declined-to-reveal-his-source/

A "journalist" "leaked" a police report. Which is to say, the police report was illegally obtained, illegally sold, and then illegally distributed. The freelancer who sold the illegally obtained records was arrested, to HUGE public outcry. His lawyer defended the actions of the freelancer, saying "These packages he does- video and the documents to support the video- it's done every day by freelancers. It's not anything unusual. It's how the news is done."

And indeed it is. Illegally obtained materials are distributed illegally on the regular, and it's largely ignored, because "freedom of the press". It's Possible that TMZ would get shut down if they showed the video, but very unlikely. It's just how the news is done.

What I do disagree with though is the idea that it's 100%. There's just no way that the chances it will be illegally distributed are exactly the same as the chances it will be released when mandated by law. That has to be hyperbole. It may very well be released, but legally, it's no longer guaranteed, and that matters.
 
It goes on and on and on......

Absent a dismissal, Kraft case may not be resolved for 1-2 years, minimum

Posted by Mike Florio on May 22, 2019, 4:58 PM EDT

On Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed that no action will be taken against Patriots owner Robert Kraft unless and until the pending criminal charges against him are resolved. So when will those charges be resolved?

The prosecution has been stayed pending appeal of the ruling suppressing the surveillance video from introduction into evidence at trial. In Florida, the appellate system has two steps. As one source with knowledge of the process tells PFT, resolution in the lower level could take at least a year. If/when the case then migrates to the Florida Supreme Court, more time will necessarily pass as briefs are submitted and oral arguments are scheduled and the court considers everything that is submitted and issues a decision in writing.

So it could be two years, maybe more, before the appeals courts in Florida provide a final answer as to whether the surveillance video will or won’t be available for use at trial. A last-ditch effort to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court would create even more delay.

That said, there’s a chance that the prosecution could quietly dismiss the case, perhaps after some of the media attention dies down. The question then would become whether the surveillance video would be made public; previously, the presiding judge ruled that if/when the case is dismissed, the surveillance video would be fair game.

Kraft’s lawyers have since renewed the argument that the video never should be made public, given the finding that the entire surveillance process violated the applicable legal requirements for utilizing such practices. A ruling on that specific request has not been issued.

Thus, if the charges are dismissed and the surveillance video is permanently blocked from public view, the league will have limited evidence for determining whether a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy occurred. Ultimately, the only available proof may come from an interview of Kraft, since no other witnesses would fall within the jurisdiction of the league’s investigation.

If Kraft denies that solicitation of prostitution occurred, how would the league prove that it did? That could be the key question when it comes to determining whether and to what extent the league disciplines Kraft, whenever it is that the criminal case is resolved. Absent a dismissal, it could be a very long time before the criminal case is resolved.
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bmooney54 said:
The league doesn't need evidence. They have an apology from Kraft about his wrongdoing. That is all Goodell needs.
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In the interest of fairness, I think the league should appoint an independent investigator, to reach an unbiased conclusion.

:coffee:
 
Well, it's been a while since we heard anything. The Florida prosecutors have decided to appeal the judge's ruling about releasing the video tapes.

But my motivation for resurrecting this is this section from a Vanity Fair article that is both funny and sad at the same time.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-disturbing-saga-of-robert-kraft

Later that day, Kraft called his friend. “You won’t believe what happened to me,” his friend recalls him bragging. Kraft explained how he had gone for what he thought was a regular massage, but that the masseuse had given him a hand job instead.

The friend excoriated Kraft for getting a “rub and tug.” Kraft, seemingly hurt, insisted that it “wasn’t like that.” He said he had felt a real connection with Lulu and Mingbi.

Later that evening, Kraft received a call from Orchids, asking him to visit again. (At the time, Kraft’s number in Palm Beach was publicly listed.) Kraft, according to his friend, was thrilled. He did not seem to understand that the spa was merely soliciting repeat business.

The next day, Kraft returned to Orchids, this time with a driver in a 2015 blue Bentley. He arrived before 11 a.m., qualifying for the early bird special: $15 off. He received a hand job and a blow job from Lulu, and left after 14 minutes. That afternoon he flew to Kansas City, to watch his team play the Chiefs in the NFL playoffs.
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:facepalm:
 
Dwight Schrute said:
Hand Job Bob off the hook.

FL court rules vids illegal.
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Good lawyers. I think it had to do with how the video was obtained. Eh, this is why rich people don't go to jail unless it is for stealing from the government in taxes.
If there was no sex traffic stuff and he was just in there getting a sunday afternoon special. I really have no issue with it, but I understand why some people would.
I am not much for moral policing.
 
Patriots71 said:
Good lawyers. I think it had to do with how the video was obtained. Eh, this is why rich people don't go to jail unless it is for stealing from the government in taxes.
If there was no sex traffic stuff and he was just in there getting a sunday afternoon special. I really have no issue with it, but I understand why some people would.
I am not much for moral policing.
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Neither am I.

It was just so monumentally stupid and so easily avoidable.

How a billionaire gets trapped in that environment with that group of gals is so unfathomably bizarre to me I’ll never understand it.
 
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