Patriots trade for Cooks

It's clear BB wants another ring, and he wants it now. It feels like he's pushing all of his chips to the center of the table so that he and TB can ride off into the sunset in 2 or 3 years with a couple of more rings to show for it.
 
Normally the #4-#6 WR are also on Special Teams. Is Amendola willing to play ST all season?

He returned more punts and kickoffs than anyone else last year, so yeah. :rolleyes:

The Patriots have gotten younger and cheaper while staying the same or improving talent-wise, outside of signing Gilmore. They're still 40 million + under the cap.

I don't know where you see a 2 year window. Maybe you should check your notes. :coffee:
 
He returned more punts and kickoffs than anyone else last year, so yeah. :rolleyes:

The Patriots have gotten younger and cheaper while staying the same or improving talent-wise, outside of signing Gilmore. They're still 40 million + under the cap.

I don't know where you see a 2 year window. Maybe you should check your notes. :coffee:

Gotcha. I just noticed he had 18 punt returns, 5 kick returns and zero ST tackles. Jones and Lewis both had more KR. Edelman had more PR than did Amendola. Anyway, I'm glad I didn't come in here saying the Pats have had a shitty FA season. LOL Don't forget to set your clocks forward tonight.cuckoo
 
He returned more punts and kickoffs than anyone else last year, so yeah. :rolleyes:

The Patriots have gotten younger and cheaper while staying the same or improving talent-wise, outside of signing Gilmore. They're still 40 million + under the cap.

I don't know where you see a 2 year window. Maybe you should check your notes. :coffee:

Exactly. All the moves they have made have been for the short and long term AND Bill has had the cash to be able to do it. I think we all knew the team was going to look different this year given the number of FA's we had and the amount of cash Bill had to spend. I could not be more pleased with what he has done so far just a couple of days in. I am even more psyched now for the draft.

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Gotcha. I just noticed he had 18 punt returns, 5 kick returns and zero ST tackles. Jones and Lewis both had more KR. Edelman had more PR than did Amendola. Anyway, I'm glad I didn't come in here saying the Pats have had a shitty FA season. LOL Don't forget to set your clocks forward tonight.cuckoo

Denver has been very quiet, how come? Is Elway going to get Romo? Seems like he is very lukewarm toward the idea.
 
Exactly. All the moves they have made have been for the short and long term AND Bill has had the cash to be able to do it. I think we all knew the team was going to look different this year given the number of FA's we had and the amount of cash Bill had to spend. I could not be more pleased with what he has done so far just a couple of days in. I am even more psyched now for the draft.

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Denver has been very quiet, how come? Is Elway going to get Romo? Seems like he is very lukewarm toward the idea.

Your guess is as good as mine. The minute Dallas decided not to cut him changed the outlook. I don't think Elway wants to give a pick or 2 for him. And with Osweiller gone from Houston, they are far more desperate for a QB than the Broncos are. That said, will Jones trade Romo to another team in Texas? Either way, I'm good. Broncos need to really look at their OL rather than QB at this time. And so far they have. Pick up T.J. Lang and I'll be happy.
 
According to a few random Denver fans on Reddit, Siemian or whatever is the 2nd coming of Brady because they had similar rookie stats. So clearly you don't need Romo :coffee:

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According to a few random Denver fans on Reddit, Siemian or whatever is the 2nd coming of Brady because they had similar rookie stats. So clearly you don't need Romo :coffee:

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No way, shape or form do I believe that Siemian is the "second coming" He did look pretty good playing behind an absolute shit line. I'd rather see the Broncos spend the money on building the line than bringing in Romo.
 
Great free agency for the Pats. But is it a sign of times to come? It's odd to see the Pats go big like they have this free agent season. It looks to me (shouldn't be a big secret) that the Pats are making one last big run. Not necessarily one more season but not more than 2. Good FA for the CONE

Add more years...

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Exactly. All the moves they have made have been for the short and long term AND Bill has had the cash to be able to do it. I think we all knew the team was going to look different this year given the number of FA's we had and the amount of cash Bill had to spend. I could not be more pleased with what he has done so far just a couple of days in. I am even more psyched now for the draft.

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Denver has been very quiet, how come? Is Elway going to get Romo? Seems like he is very lukewarm toward the idea.

Romo makes more sense for the TexMexicans...
 
Excellent perspective from Saints fans. They aren't real happy today
The move itself had moved far away from being shocking to a forgone conclusion after the first day of free agency had run its course. What wasn’t apparent to Saints fans then, but is blindingly obvious now, was that the one day difference made ALL the difference. There were numerous reports over the last couple of weeks that multiple teams had expressed interest in the Brandin Cooks, and that the Saints were determined to get the most out of the deal. Unfortunately for the Saints while it is true you miss every shot you don’t take, you do also have to pay attention to the shot clock. What do I mean by that? Well let’s take a look at how we got here, giving up a top 10 wide receiver (yes, he is) AND a 4th round pick for the 32nd pick and a 3rd round pick.
What was he worth:
Different people, different reports, different valuations so its difficult to assign a true value to Cooks. The reality is that in any unregulated market the true ‘value’ of any commodity (and for better or worse in sports players are seen as property or ‘assets’ more than anything) is whatever someone is willing to give up to get it. That means that Brandin Cooks value was entirely dependent on who wanted him, how bad, and how many others wanted him. The best case scenario for the Saints was always to initiate a bidding war, but there is a risk to that approach. There were many reports throughout the last few weeks and while none were ever fully substantiated, they all established and supported the narrative that at least at one point Cooks value was worth at least a mid 1st round pick. With both the Titans and Eagles reportedly interested at one point it is VERY likely that the Saints were at least offered the 18th and/or 14th picks in some capacity in the draft at one point.
However, we also have multiple reports, and even statements from Sean Payton himself saying the Saints intention was only to trade Cooks if they got a GREAT offer. Considering what it cost to draft him as well as his value as a young and extremely productive veteran it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect equal return, and to try to get better than that. So long as a bidding war could get started the Saints were practically assured to come out a head.
The best part was that there was legit value. This wasn’t something like Meachem or Deion Branch where the player was a product of the system and the quarterback far more than a difference maker on their own. Cooks proved to be extremely productive the last two years and showed enough versatility and explosiveness to be valuable on any team in the league. His skillset translates anywhere, not perfectly, but it translates and that matters. What stands against him is the fact that he is also more of a specialist than he would like to admit, there is a difference between being effective at everything, and being great at it. That’s the difference between asking for multiple assets for a very good player, and demanding it for a great one. Cooks for all his value was still a player that you ‘asked’ for, not demanded.



At the end of the day time will tell, but the fact is that at this point in the process the Saints had to make a move and I believe they made the best move that was available to them….at the time.
much more
http://thesportsdaily.com/the-saints-nation/reacting-to-the-saints-trading-cooks-to-the-patriots/
 
Another one

A questionable trade leaves a void to be filled at the WR position. Let’s hope the New Orleans Saints make a move.

This move obviously has Saints fans in shocking misery and Patriots fans in a state of pure bliss. It’s hard to look on the bright side and look forward, Who Dat Nation. But that’s what we must do at this point. Loomis may have a fantastic plan for the team moving forward. The chances of him trading Cooks for a possible rebuild are slim, especially after the great moves the team made on the first day of free agency. The team could dip into their $20+ million cap space money to sign another receiver, or draft a replacement for Cooks.

Cooks and his speed, his passion and his bow-and-arrow celebration will be missed. He electrified the Dome multiple times in his two short years with New Orleans. We wish him all the luck with the Patriots (besides, of course, when the two teams meet up this season). Mickey Loomis and other front office personnel have to look at a replacement for Cooks, considering the team got only draft picks out of the deal and no players. Whether it be free agency, the draft, or another wild trade, the receiving core needs another player to help keep Brees and the offense running at historical power.
http://whodatdish.com/2017/03/11/new-orleans-saints-trade-searching-wr/
 
Does anyone find it off that BB went hard for a receiver to the point of using a first rounder to get one, something that he has never done with this team after a year that our receiving corp seemed its deepest?
 
Does anyone find it off that BB went hard for a receiver to the point of using a first rounder to get one, something that he has never done with this team after a year that our receiving corp seemed its deepest?

This whole offseason is odd so far... :shrug_n:
 
Does anyone find it off that BB went hard for a receiver to the point of using a first rounder to get one, something that he has never done with this team after a year that our receiving corp seemed its deepest?

I did initially but given the age of Julian and Danny and no other current young receiver on our team to replace them, it makes sense. I am surprised though that he went for the moon as he never does that typically but I am thinking those joint sessions with the Saints made him fall in love with Cooks. And as I have said in other threads, I do believe that Bill does not think very highly of this draft which is why he has been trading picks for proven players.
 
Does anyone find it off that BB went hard for a receiver to the point of using a first rounder to get one, something that he has never done with this team after a year that our receiving corp seemed its deepest?

Absolutely.

What if Brady doesn't warm up to Cooks? We all know how demanding he can be. If Cooks doesn't pick up the offense quickly, then this expensive move could be a waste of time.

Bill, however, doesn't really seem to give a shit. It'll either work out like his judgement tells him it will, or he'll shrug it off and do something different and not lose any sleep over it. And he'll win either way.

Definitely a lot of moves there that any other person in football would be forced to explain.
 
Absolutely.

What if Brady doesn't warm up to Cooks? We all know how demanding he can be. If Cooks doesn't pick up the offense quickly, then this expensive move could be a waste of time.

Bill, however, doesn't really seem to give a shit. It'll either work out like his judgement tells him it will, or he'll shrug it off and do something different and not lose any sleep over it. And he'll win either way.

Definitely a lot of moves there that any other person in football would be forced to explain.

The saints O isn't all that much different than the patriots Cooks picked that up right away. I don't believe he will have an issue with it or with Brady.
 
The saints O isn't all that much different than the patriots Cooks picked that up right away. I don't believe he will have an issue with it or with Brady.

And i think he has a chip on his shoulder after getting dumped for Mike Thomas.
 
Does anyone find it off that BB went hard for a receiver to the point of using a first rounder to get one, something that he has never done with this team after a year that our receiving corp seemed its deepest?

I did initially but given the age of Julian and Danny and no other current young receiver on our team to replace them, it makes sense. I am surprised though that he went for the moon as he never does that typically but I am thinking those joint sessions with the Saints made him fall in love with Cooks. And as I have said in other threads, I do believe that Bill does not think very highly of this draft which is why he has been trading picks for proven players.

The current slate of WRs is very different than the 2013 training camp days of
Julian Edelman
Brandon Lloyd
Aaron Dobson
Kenbrell Thompkins
Mark Harrison
Jesse Holley
Josh Boyce
Austin Collie
Britt Davis
Reggie Dunn
Michael Jenkins
TJ Moe

This is a very good thing made possible only by an already rebuilt defense.

Our current group is versatile enough to be productive and win against anything defenses throw at it. This group can play the outside long ball with Hogan and Cooks, the intermediate game with those 2 plus Mitchell and Gronk, the close game with those 4 plus Edelman, White and (for now) Amendola. We won't see teams packing the middle any more. I'm very happy with this group.
 
On paper this is the most stacked O the team has fielded in a very long time.

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On paper this is the most stacked O the team has fielded in a very long time.

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And it is only day 4 of FA. We could get a lot more stacked in the coming weeks/months. :toast:
 
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