Pats 2nd Round #50 Pick -- Tyquan Thornton

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BB was listening to the people here that thought that Mac Jones needed a smokin' fast WR to let him evolve! Hallelujah! WEE/HAH!!!!!
 

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If Tyquan takes off, fulfills his potential, and becomes an exceptionally good player, I think AJ Green could end up being a good comp. They have very similar body types and play styles. AJ Green was a bit more polished coming out of college but I see the similarities.
 

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Back to Thornton with notes in hand.
He was my 30th WR for the Pats but I should explain I downgraded him bc he's a pure speed X receiver with slow 3cone and short shuttle times. BB doesn't take these guys.
Ok, but now BB's new scouting staff drafted him so what did the Patriots scouting staff see in this kid besides his speed?

For 1 thing, he's much further along in the nuanced WR skill department than many WRs ranked ahead of him. There's a lot to work with here and not a lot to correct.
His release is good now but can get better with coaching. Twitchy, efficient and sudden. He eats cushion on defenders quickly during his stem often making defenders turn their hips creating separation before getting to his break. His breaks are adequate for a speed guy but he can get better, again, with coaching.
His ball skills are top tier. He's a hands catcher who reaches for the ball & his hands are always close together in perfect position to cradle the ball away from his chest. This is one of the most difficult things for WRs to master. He does it instinctively. Always together.
His tracking skills are exceptional and he shows a good awareness of the boundary.
He highpoints the ball well, he extends his body when necessary and he comes back for the ball with his wide catch radius.

His QB at Baylor didn't help him much. Watch film and you see his QB stare him down from beginning to end so it's amazing to me that Thornton's production was as good as it was,
especially since he was doubled on almost every route.

There's room for improvement.
His release is good but not great. He won't overpower a bigger CB in press so he needs to learn more Mr. Miyagi techniques to use his arms to allow quick releases against strong physical corners. Coaching and ez to learn.
At times, he tips his defender ahead of his breaks. Sometimes he will reach for the ball before he should which gives a defender time to act. Both are ez to correct.
He's not a contested catch guy - hands are too small and he doesn't have the strength.

will finish later. at work now
 

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Couple teams had him as their best receiver available at that pick.

Make of that what you wil

Why are you here?
Oh that's right, I'm not a Patriots fan because I'm not thrilled we took a underperforming wr in the second round that not a single draft publicaion had going before the 5th.
 

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Oh that's right, I'm not a Patriots fan because I'm not thrilled we took a underperforming wr in the second round that not a single draft publicaion had going before the 5th.

And therein my friend, lies your problem. NFL teams have their own boards and in some cases those boards will differ significantly from those of other teams and draft publications.

One man's reach is another man's steal
 

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Back to Thornton with notes in hand.
He was my 30th WR for the Pats but I should explain I downgraded him bc he's a pure speed X receiver with slow 3cone and short shuttle times. BB doesn't take these guys.
Ok, but now BB's new scouting staff drafted him so what did the Patriots scouting staff see in this kid besides his speed?

For 1 thing, he's much further along in the nuanced WR skill department than many WRs ranked ahead of him. There's a lot to work with here and not a lot to correct.
His release is good now but can get better with coaching. Twitchy, efficient and sudden. He eats cushion on defenders quickly during his stem often making defenders turn their hips creating separation before getting to his break. His breaks are adequate for a speed guy but he can get better, again, with coaching.
His ball skills are top tier. He's a hands catcher who reaches for the ball & his hands are always close together in perfect position to cradle the ball away from his chest. This is one of the most difficult things for WRs to master. He does it instinctively. Always together.
His tracking skills are exceptional and he shows a good awareness of the boundary.
He highpoints the ball well, he extends his body when necessary and he comes back for the ball with his wide catch radius.

His QB at Baylor didn't help him much. Watch film and you see his QB stare him down from beginning to end so it's amazing to me that Thornton's production was as good as it was,
especially since he was doubled on almost every route.

There's room for improvement.
His release is good but not great. He won't overpower a bigger CB in press so he needs to learn more Mr. Miyagi techniques to use his arms to allow quick releases against strong physical corners. Coaching and ez to learn.
At times, he tips his defender ahead of his breaks. Sometimes he will reach for the ball before he should which gives a defender time to act. Both are ez to correct.
He's not a contested catch guy - hands are too small and he doesn't have the strength.

will finish later. at work now

Jameson Williams is considered a top 2-3 WR pick in this draft. The funny thing for me is that Thornton is his mirror image. They're the same guy. So if you like Williams you should like Thornton. He has processes that tell me he can be very productive in the NFL.
Comps: Jameson Williams, Robbie Anderson (without the baggage), Devonta Smith.
 

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Jameson Williams is considered a top 2-3 WR pick in this draft. The funny thing for me is that Thornton is his mirror image. They're the same guy. So if you like Williams you should like Thornton. He has processes that tell me he can be very productive in the NFL.
Comps: Jameson Williams, Robbie Anderson (without the baggage), Devonta Smith.

Well said, Chevss454
 

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Back to Thornton with notes in hand.
He was my 30th WR for the Pats but I should explain I downgraded him bc he's a pure speed X receiver with slow 3cone and short shuttle times. BB doesn't take these guys.
Ok, but now BB's new scouting staff drafted him so what did the Patriots scouting staff see in this kid besides his speed?

For 1 thing, he's much further along in the nuanced WR skill department than many WRs ranked ahead of him. There's a lot to work with here and not a lot to correct.
His release is good now but can get better with coaching. Twitchy, efficient and sudden. He eats cushion on defenders quickly during his stem often making defenders turn their hips creating separation before getting to his break. His breaks are adequate for a speed guy but he can get better, again, with coaching.
His ball skills are top tier. He's a hands catcher who reaches for the ball & his hands are always close together in perfect position to cradle the ball away from his chest. This is one of the most difficult things for WRs to master. He does it instinctively. Always together.
His tracking skills are exceptional and he shows a good awareness of the boundary.
He highpoints the ball well, he extends his body when necessary and he comes back for the ball with his wide catch radius.

His QB at Baylor didn't help him much. Watch film and you see his QB stare him down from beginning to end so it's amazing to me that Thornton's production was as good as it was,
especially since he was doubled on almost every route.

There's room for improvement.
His release is good but not great. He won't overpower a bigger CB in press so he needs to learn more Mr. Miyagi techniques to use his arms to allow quick releases against strong physical corners. Coaching and ez to learn.
At times, he tips his defender ahead of his breaks. Sometimes he will reach for the ball before he should which gives a defender time to act. Both are ez to correct.
He's not a contested catch guy - hands are too small and he doesn't have the strength.

will finish later. at work now
I'm guessing N'Keal had good times? I guess I could look it up but you know...lazy.
 

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Anytime you can draft 3 straight guys a round or two before they're projected due, you gotta do it.
 

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Jameson Williams is considered a top 2-3 WR pick in this draft. The funny thing for me is that Thornton is his mirror image. They're the same guy. So if you like Williams you should like Thornton. He has processes that tell me he can be very productive in the NFL.
Comps: Jameson Williams, Robbie Anderson (without the baggage), Devonta Smith.

I dunno this sounds like NKeal Harry rationale. There's a reason other WRs made a name for themselves. Even when NKeal was taken there were 4 other better regarded WRs out there. And of course 25+ WRs taken after him with better careers now. I don't think there's the Patriots luster anymore that just because BB took him the player will be good. I think the Pats still excel at low-round and UDFA players though.
 

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If Tyquan takes off, fulfills his potential, and becomes an exceptionally good player, I think AJ Green could end up being a good comp. They have very similar body types and play styles. AJ Green was a bit more polished coming out of college but I see the similarities.
Except AJ Green could only dream about being that fast.
 

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I dunno this sounds like NKeal Harry rationale. There's a reason other WRs made a name for themselves. Even when NKeal was taken there were 4 other better regarded WRs out there. And of course 25+ WRs taken after him with better careers now. I don't think there's the Patriots luster anymore that just because BB took him the player will be good. I think the Pats still excel at low-round and UDFA players though.

Go watch film of Thornton. Judge for yourself.
 
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