Stuff like Chad Johnson's comments never get old

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For anyone who has been a Pats fan since before the Tuna arrived, and maybe even those who started following the team during the Pumped and Jacked Era, things like Chad Johnson saying he wants to come to the Patriots...and Bill Belichick is like a father to him, a man he just loves (are you reading this, you soap box idiots who babble about BB being evil, etc?) never get old.

Johnson is talking about the NE Patriots! Clive Rush! Chuckie Sullivan! Michael Jackson's Victory Tour! Chuck Fairbanks! Zeke Mowatt's member! Victor Kiam! The classic bitch. Rampant cocaine use on the SB losing 86 Pats! Tony Eason playing that game in a skirt! 1-15!

That's the franchise that Chad Johnson is talking about...only now it's different. Now it's on the verge of something ridiculous. Now it's mentioned in the same breath as the Cowboys, Nineers and Steelers. Favorably.

And that's the ultimate irony in all the asswipes talking about how Pats fans are arrogant. Those asswipes are soooooooo stupid and just don't get it. Sure, there are some bandwagoners or younger fans who only know the good times.

First, I love those fans too -- they're part of the Pats fan group and who cares if they are new? They have the good sense to root for this wonderful team. Good for them and good for us.

But the real deal is that for every one of those newbies, there are five people like me. People who read Chad Johnson's comments and do a double take. "He's talking about the Patriots?!?!"

Anyway, here's what Johnson said in today's Globe, courtesy of the great Mike Reiss. Enjoy.

*****

He'd like to catch on in Foxborough
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | January 31, 2008

PHOENIX - The Patriots made an unexpected splash trading for Randy Moss last April. Might Bengals receiver Chad Johnson be next?

The thought was tantalizing to Johnson yesterday at Super Bowl XLII.

"It would be fun; I would love to play there," he said. "But right now, I'm in Cincinnati. That's where I am."

Johnson, one of the NFL's top pass catchers, doesn't seem happy about that.

As part of his role as a pitchman for Degree, the personable and outspoken Johnson conducted several interviews at Super Bowl media headquarters yesterday, and it wasn't difficult to detect the frustration he's experiencing with the Bengals. He was passively campaigning for a trade.

While Johnson has expressed interest in playing for other clubs, this is believed to be the first time he's openly conveyed his desire to land in New England.

When approached by a Boston reporter, Johnson said: "I'm going to be playing for your team next year." When the reporter laughed, Johnson put his hands together as if he were praying and looked to the heavens.

Johnson has little leverage, but might be trying to create a stir to force the Bengals' hand. In April 2006, he signed an extension through 2011, and top Bengals officials have stated he is not on the trading block.

Johnson's frustration stems from a lack of victories, and in a radio interview on "The Jim Rome Show" yesterday, he noted that he didn't feel everyone in the Bengals organization was fully supportive of him. Asked to elaborate later in the day, Johnson said: "I don't want to talk about it anymore."

But he was more than willing to speak about Moss, adding that the former Viking and Raider landed in a situation he would envy.

"He was given an opportunity to win," Johnson said. "You really know what you're going to get when you enter an organization like that, one that has won for a long period of time. He got the opportunity and got himself out of a bad situation he was in, and got to a good one."

To do so, Moss accepted a reduction in salary, signing a one-year, $3 million deal with an additional $2 million in incentives. If a trade for Johnson were to come to fruition, financial considerations wouldn't be as much of a factor.

Johnson is due a manageable base salary of $3 million in 2008. His deal also includes a $250,000 workout bonus, with $300,000 in incentives. The base salaries are $4.5 million in 2009, $5 million in 2010, and $6 million in 2011.

Considering that the "franchise" salary for top receivers was $7.6 million in 2007, Johnson would be a financial value for any club.

The Patriots' receiving situation has an uncertain forecast.

Moss is a free agent, and while he's expressed his desire to return, those words will truly hold meaning once the negotiating process begins. The sides cannot consummate a deal until early March - when the new NFL year starts - because Moss restructured his deal within the current league year and players can only restructure or extend their contracts once a season.

Donte' Stallworth has $8 million worth of option bonuses due in February, and it's unlikely the Patriots will exercise them, which would make him a free agent.

Kelley Washington has a more manageable $4 million option bonus that would extend his contract through 2011, and the question would be whether the team wants to invest that for a top special teams player who participated in only 37 total offensive snaps this season.

Jabar Gaffney is also a free agent, while Troy Brown's deal expires and he could retire.

Only Wes Welker (signed through 2011) and Chad Jackson (2009) are assured of returning to the receiving corps next season.

While trading for Johnson seems like a long shot, consider this hypothetical: The Patriots dangle their first-round draft choice, No. 7 overall, in an attempt to entice the Bengals to deal him.

The Patriots could justify such a move, because they'd have to pay the draft pick about $17 million in bonuses/guarantees, an exorbitant figure for an unproven player. In return, they'd receive a player in his prime coming off a 93-catch season.

Meanwhile, the Bengals might be inclined to make such a swap, adding youth and an impact defensive player (a top need), while at the same time eliminating a distraction.

At this point, it's all fantasy chatter, but what makes it intriguing is that the player involved is generating discussion.

After whistling with glee when asked what it would be like to catch passes from Tom Brady, Johnson touched on his admiration for Bill Belichick.

"I love him. He's like my dad, the dad I never had," Johnson said. "There is just something about it. I never had the chance to work with him except at the Pro Bowl. I just fell in love with the guy. I have a lot of respect for him."
 
DarrylStingley on 01-31-2008 at 07:23 AM said:
To do so, Moss accepted a reduction in salary, signing a one-year, $3 million deal with an additional $2 million in incentives. If a trade for Johnson were to come to fruition, financial considerations wouldn't be as much of a factor.

Johnson is due a manageable base salary of $3 million in 2008. His deal also includes a $250,000 workout bonus, with $300,000 in incentives. The base salaries are $4.5 million in 2009, $5 million in 2010, and $6 million in 2011.

Considering that the "franchise" salary for top receivers was $7.6 million in 2007, Johnson would be a financial value for any club.

First, I agree with you DS in that it's still weird to hear other players talk about the Pats as a desired destination. I'm old enough to remember when Fred Dryer refused to report to the Pats after a trade, eventually leading to the trade being voided. And Joe Kapp threatening to sit out after a trade, although he finally gave in.

As far as CJ is concerned, I'm not sure yet I'd want to see him here. Unlike Moss, he an attention whore. Definitely passionate about winning, but I don't see him as much of a team player. Of course, this organization has a knack for assimilating these types of players.

Salary wise, it's a perfect fit. The Pats would not be responsible for nay of his signing bonus that Cincy gave him. They'd have to absorb that hit. That means the Pats would only be responsible for base salary and any future due bonuses. Pretty damned cheap considering the talent level.
 
Re: Re: Stuff like Chad Johnson's comments never get old

bideau* on 01-31-2008 at 07:51 AM said:
As far as CJ is concerned, I'm not sure yet I'd want to see him here. Unlike Moss, he an attention whore. Definitely passionate about winning, but I don't see him as much of a team player. Of course, this organization has a knack for assimilating these types of players.

You hit the nail on the head. "Winning cures all ills." The first "problem child" was Brian Cox. Then Rodney Harrison. Then Corey Dillon. Then Randy Moss. :shrug: I don't see why Chad Johnson wouldn't follow the same path.

I'd rather have Moss. But if Moss leaves I'll take Chad in a heartbeat. (Well, actually, I'd rather have Moss AND Chad Johnson, LOL. If they ever re-signed Moss and also signed Chad Johnson, they should just skip the 2008 season, hand another Lombardi to Belichick, and tell everyont to take the year off and come back for football in 2009...)
 
Why not bring Chad in with Moss? Moss, Johnson and Welker....insane.

But Dante is gone, Washington is probably gone and Gaffney is a great player, but if they need to allocate whatever dollars they'd pay him to Moss and Johnson, count me in for saying goodbye to Gaffney.

That said, this will never happen. The Bengals, as much as they'd like the 7 pick, just can't hand the Pats SB 43. Right?
 
DarrylStingley on 01-31-2008 at 08:49 AM said:
Why not bring Chad in with Moss? Moss, Johnson and Welker....insane.

But Dante is gone, Washington is probably gone and Gaffney is a great player, but if they need to allocate whatever dollars they'd pay him to Moss and Johnson, count me in for saying goodbye to Gaffney.

That said, this will never happen. The Bengals, as much as they'd like the 7 pick, just can't hand the Pats SB 43. Right?

I don't think the Pats would be willing to hand over the #7 pick for Johnson. If they could trade down and get multiple picks in return, then I could see a lower round 1st. And Cincy has given no hints (as far as I know) that CJ is on the trading block.

Donte is not necessarily gone. He'll become a free agent when the Pats don't exercise the huge bonus. But it's very possible that he could then negotiate a more reasonable long term contract to stay.

Needless to say, this will be a very interesting offseason.
 
What is up with all the Chad Johnson hatred? So he made a jacket that said HOF, so he likes to dance in the endzone, so what? Its not like hes ever arrested or done anything really detrimental to the Bengals...that team sucks even more then it does now without CJ
 
that would be insane to have moss on one side and ocho cinco on the other. that being said, would rather use the draft pick to draft a defensive player. need to replenish the aging linebacker corps.
 
I wouldn't want them to trade the #7 for him, but as I have said previously, I would not mind at all having CJ here, especially with Moss on the other side. Despite his antics, he is a hard worker and loves the game.

I would imagine if he came to NE, we would not see as much of the antics.
 
Bradys Bunch on 01-31-2008 at 09:04 AM said:
What is up with all the Chad Johnson hatred? So he made a jacket that said HOF, so he likes to dance in the endzone, so what? Its not like hes ever arrested or done anything really detrimental to the Bengals...that team sucks even more then it does now without CJ

He takes swings at coaches when he is not involved as much also as an fyi...for whatever reason this incident gets looked past...mind boggling imo
 
Why in the world would Donte, Kelley, and Jabar be "gone"? Donte might be, 'cause he's due a hefty jump in pay IIRC, but that also depends on Moss; if Moss goes, and Chad Johnson stays in Cincy, then I can see them keeping Donte as the #1 WR.

As for Kelley and Jabar, I don't know what they make but I'm sure it's not much, and that both guys enjoy being here despite their limited roles and would probably rather fight for WR time here than move on. JMO.

I think Chad Jackson will be back in camp next season, but I woudln't be surprised if he doesn't make it through camp. If they re-sign Moss, and Troy retires, and Donte leaves due to his high cost, I can see them going into next season with Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Washington, and some rookie at #5. That wouldn't bother me one bit; I wouldn't be expecting 19-0 and record-setting point totals via the passing game, but I'd be expecting Maroney--with another year under his belt--to compensate with a better running game.
 
JD10367 on 01-31-2008 at 09:13 AM said:
Why in the world would Donte, Kelley, and Jabar be "gone"? Donte might be, 'cause he's due a hefty jump in pay IIRC, but that also depends on Moss; if Moss goes, and Chad Johnson stays in Cincy, then I can see them keeping Donte as the #1 WR.

As for Kelley and Jabar, I don't know what they make but I'm sure it's not much, and that both guys enjoy being here despite their limited roles and would probably rather fight for WR time here than move on. JMO.

I think Chad Jackson will be back in camp next season, but I woudln't be surprised if he doesn't make it through camp. If they re-sign Moss, and Troy retires, and Donte leaves due to his high cost, I can see them going into next season with Moss, Welker, Gaffney, Washington, and some rookie at #5. That wouldn't bother me one bit; I wouldn't be expecting 19-0 and record-setting point totals via the passing game, but I'd be expecting Maroney--with another year under his belt--to compensate with a better running game.

chad jackson at #5?
 
Donte is gone. The Pats have to pay a bonus/payment of $8 mm to keep him. That will not happen.

Washington is a similar deal in that they need to pay him $4 mm to keep him.

Gaffney could be back. I hope is.
 
DarrylStingley on 01-31-2008 at 10:27 AM said:
Donte is gone. The Pats have to pay a bonus/payment of $8 mm to keep him. That will not happen.

Washington is a similar deal in that they need to pay him $4 mm to keep him.

Gaffney could be back. I hope is.

True, Donte is due a bonus. But if the Pats don't exercise it, he'll be a free agent. Nothing is stopping them from negotiating a new contract at that point. Much will depend on the market and how badly he wants to stay with the Pats. Ditto for Washington. It's becoming apparent that his niche is as a special teamer. Will any other team be willing to pay him as a regular receiver in their rotation?

Is Gaffney Unrestricted or Restricted?
 
bideau* on 01-31-2008 at 10:41 AM said:
True, Donte is due a bonus. But if the Pats don't exercise it, he'll be a free agent. Nothing is stopping them from negotiating a new contract at that point. Much will depend on the market and how badly he wants to stay with the Pats. Ditto for Washington. It's becoming apparent that his niche is as a special teamer. Will any other team be willing to pay him as a regular receiver in their rotation?

Is Gaffney Unrestricted or Restricted?

Excellent point abouit Donte. I can see the Pats saying, "Look, we like you, and we have a role for you here, but we just can't see paying you eight mill. But if you'd like to come back for a lesser amount, we're open to talk about it." If Donte gets a ring, and likes the organization and getting thrown balls from Brady--and especially if Moss leaves and Donte's got a shot at being the #1 WR--I can see him coming back.

As for Kelley, four mill is a lot for a STer. On the other hand, he's REALLY good on ST, and Izzo won't last forever. And Kelley CAN play WR if needed (say, if Moss or Welker gets hurt). I can see the Pats keeping Kelley since he fills two rolls (ST specialist and backup WR).

It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
 
ROFL

Please, by all means, get Chad! That will be one WR we won't have to worry about when we play you guys.

Chad is afraid of the Steelers. Ike Taylor shuts him down, and the mere thought of Anthony Smith puts Chad in the fetal position.

The Bengals can't afford to lose one of their biggest weapons on their only strength, so give them Welker for Chad. That would be GREAT! We could just put Ike one on one on Chad, and double Moss. And the best part is Brady wouldn't have Welker as his security blanket.

Please Pats, make that trade! :D


On the other hand, if Chad goes to NE and BB doesn't let him do his dances, that would really suck, because Chad is nothing if not entertaining.
 
bideau* on 01-31-2008 at 10:41 AM said:
True, Donte is due a bonus. But if the Pats don't exercise it, he'll be a free agent. Nothing is stopping them from negotiating a new contract at that point. Much will depend on the market and how badly he wants to stay with the Pats. Ditto for Washington. It's becoming apparent that his niche is as a special teamer. Will any other team be willing to pay him as a regular receiver in their rotation?

Is Gaffney Unrestricted or Restricted?
I'm not sure that's true about being able to re-do a deal with Stallworth after dropping him. Also, as much as I bet he's enjoyed being part of this dream season, I doubt he'll come back for third/fourth Pats receiver money next year when some other team will pay him first/second receiver money. Moss, who is The Man in NE, might be more inclined to give the Pats a fair/home team deal and the Pats will be more generous with Moss in any event.
 
SteelerFan87 on 01-31-2008 at 10:56 AM said:
ROFL

Please, by all means, get Chad! That will be one WR we won't have to worry about when we play you guys.

Chad is afraid of the Steelers. Ike Taylor shuts him down, and the mere thought of Anthony Smith puts Chad in the fetal position.

The Bengals can't afford to lose one of their biggest weapons on their only strength, so give them Welker for Chad. That would be GREAT! We could just put Ike one on one on Chad, and double Moss. And the best part is Brady wouldn't have Welker as his security blanket.

Please Pats, make that trade! :D


On the other hand, if Chad goes to NE and BB doesn't let him do his dances, that would really suck, because Chad is nothing if not entertaining.

Welkers not going anywhere for a long time....and if you really think that you can just cover moss and chad easily via the way you just descirbed you're just insane
 
Bradys Bunch on 01-31-2008 at 11:09 AM said:
Welkers not going anywhere for a long time....and if you really think that you can just cover moss and chad easily via the way you just descirbed you're just insane

Well, as I said, Ike Taylor shuts Chad down. Chad is his bitch. I see no reason why that would not continue if Chad were to change uniforms.

And then we can double Moss. Sure, doubling Moss is probably less guaranteed to work than Ike on Chad, but it should still be pretty effective in limiting him. Especially if Welker wasn't there to make us worry about the short to intermediate routes.
 
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