Where's the Riley Cooper F*CKED UP thread?

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aloyouis said:
Sorry MichDave. I know you often get a pass here because you have a great online personality. Heck, you crack ME up. I look forward to your posts and given you were accepted to and graduated from Michigan I KNOW you are intelligent. That said, the above is BS and reflects more on your A2 influenced experience then reality. I am friends with and work with many black people. As mentioned above, my boss is black (might be the smartest person I know). If anyone is letting the past define anything they do themselves TODAY they are only making excuses. What you allow to happen to you TODAY is 10000 times more important than what happened to a person you never knew 25 or 150 years ago. If someone called my out of wedlock mother a cracker or a whore (the latter happened to her repeatedly) it had ZERO impact on who I DECIDED to become on my own.

Everybody needs to put on their big boy (or girl) pants, take responsibility for themselves and put up or shut up. We all control our destiny enough to
determine our level of success. Calling me a name and me being offended by it to the point that my future is in jeopardy is........stupid.

I am sure that I will get a ton of shit for this post but I am so tired of whining and excuse making.
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I'm not going to give you shit for it because I agree. Last December I had to attend an all day work event at one of the schools in my district that is 65% black students with an 85% black teacher population. My jaw was on the ground by the end of the day. The teachers are all college educated. They have to be to qualify. But honest to God you wouldn't guess that if you saw their interactions with one another. They sounded like they were at a BBQ in some backwoods southern state. The slang and pronunciations was abysmal. I have nothing against persons expressing their culture, unless it's in a professional environment where it becomes embarrassing. And if you happen to be teaching children in an economically disadvantaged sector, it's unwise to perpetuate that stereotype. They call each other n***a, use terrible verbage and grammar, act da fool and then accuse white people of racism. That's absurd.
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PatsFanLisa said:
I agree.

The question for me is: Why is it okay for blacks to use it amongst themselves, create rap music using the word repeatedly, and have it as part of their everyday language?

Indeed, it is offensive because of the historical aspects and denigration of a race. I hear and see on Twitter and FB my teenage stepdaughters' friends (mostly black or mixed race) constantly talking to each other using that word. If it has become or is becoming mainstream language without a racial connotation with a younger generation, then it also must become less offensive when another race says it. Otherwise, the term is now racial in a reverse context.

I hate the word, the sound of the word, the offensive history of the word. I also hate a word referring to women beginning with C, have actually only said it out loud maybe twice in my life, and that, too, is becoming a mainstream word with the younger generation.
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Maybe I'm old but feel the same way about that as I would if one of my kids did something because one of their friends did something stupid. I'd say that age old "if your friend jumped off a bridge....". I find no use for it and I find it disrespectful to those who have been subject its intent.

I've regrettably used the word f#g, F#ggot, and other hateful words as insults to people I know (usually as a joking insult) as a teenager. I've since realized there are gay people in my life and even in my family and I have remorse over it so I can't claim the high ground but I'm glad I have no regrets about that one.

The word needs to be remembered for its history and never should be trivialized IMHO.
 
I teach. Those teenagers don't care until a non black says it then they explode. But it's HUGE in their lives like Lisa said. I hear it a thousand times a day.
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This is all I'm going to say in this matter. There's a huge Double standard . When it comes to that word. If one person says it. its racist. Then you have to do a lot of damage control. If another group says it its ok .It said a lot in rap songs. Yet that not considered racist. IMO its never ok to use it.
 
Number Cruncher said:
I'm still bullshyt over the "No Irish Need Apply" signs....


Now who do I see about that....??
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i PREACHED THAT A LONG TIME AGO AND WAS MET WITH MUCH OPPOSITION BECAUSE WE ARE DRUNK FIGHTERS WITH A PADDY WAGON NAMED AFTER US...SAD THE OPPRESSION US FAIR SKINNED PEOPLE HAVE ENDURED

CleatMarks said:
(not here but other places)

I can't believe some comments on other boards where people say "who hasn't used it".
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I hate that too. My Mom told me the meaning as a kid and despite my Dad's use I never picked up that habit and actually found it funny that 'Aunt Sue', a woman who helped my Dad's mom with the kids when my Grandfather was at sea, was a black woman who lived close by. My kids know the word, know it is wrong and know I will make their life hell if I ever hear the word from their lips.

but they do wonder why it is in music if so offensive and why it is heard on the sidelines or with the kids hanging outside the local mom & Pop store calling each other it.... luckily they do not see color, kids are good kids or bad kids by action.
 
Michigan Dave said:
1. I'll forgive you once for lumping me in with the A2 hippies. The second time, we brawl.

2. I'm not saying anything about this situation specifically, aside from why that one word is substantially different than other "bad" words in society. I agree wholeheartedly about overcoming past obstacles--that's not what this is about though. The point I was making is that a white person using that word is mimicking behavior from the not-too-distant past that was used specifically to oppress, harass, and discriminate against blacks. It's different than other words. It doesn't mean the person against whom the language is used has to take it seriously. In fact, if you look at the backlash, most black commentators are all like "meh, whatevs" while it's whites perpetuating the attention.

Nothing has to do with words holding people back, rather how the use of the word by the speaker reflects on them as an individual, which is the issue.
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I just don't get the "it OK i we do it but don't you dare" mentality. I understand the whole intent but if something offends you it should offend you at all times andI assume you would want the use of the word, no matter the intent, stopped.

the only way it is going to be removed is by elimination completely from use.
 
For me, the issue isn't that Riley Cooper said one of the last remaining magic words, but rather the context in which he used it. I don't find words by themselves to be offensive. They're basically just tools we use to communicate ideas. It is the idea that Cooper was expressing that needs to be taken issue with.
 
On a less serious note, has anyone brought up that saying you're going to fight every black person at the Kenny Chesney concert a bit of an empty threat?
 
As an American of Southern Italian descent, it's expected that I'd be offended when referred to as a Guinea. The implication of the intended 'insult' is that I probably have Black bloodlines, to which I say, "So what?"
 
Jaric said:
For me, the issue isn't that Riley Cooper said one of the last remaining magic words, but rather the context in which he used it. I don't find words by themselves to be offensive. They're basically just tools we use to communicate ideas. It is the idea that Cooper was expressing that needs to be taken issue with.
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Cooper is a tool and was in the wrong for using the word before you even get into the context of his drunken rant.


I wish the Security Guard beat the hell out of him to be truthful.
 
Jaric said:
On a less serious note, has anyone brought up that saying you're going to fight every black person at the Kenny Chesney concert a bit of an empty threat?
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It's like threatening to fight all of the people with a full set of teeth at a Colts game.

Or everyone who scored higher than a 6 on the ACT in Ohio Stadium.
 
mikiemo83 said:
i PREACHED THAT A LONG TIME AGO AND WAS MET WITH MUCH OPPOSITION BECAUSE WE ARE DRUNK FIGHTERS WITH A PADDY WAGON NAMED AFTER US...SAD THE OPPRESSION US FAIR SKINNED PEOPLE HAVE ENDURED

I hate that too. My Mom told me the meaning as a kid and despite my Dad's use I never picked up that habit and actually found it funny that 'Aunt Sue', a woman who helped my Dad's mom with the kids when my Grandfather was at sea, was a black woman who lived close by. My kids know the word, know it is wrong and know I will make their life hell if I ever hear the word from their lips.

but they do wonder why it is in music if so offensive and why it is heard on the sidelines or with the kids hanging outside the local mom & Pop store calling each other it.... luckily they do not see color, kids are good kids or bad kids by action.
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Very similar in my case. I've specifically told my kids that it doesn't matter who says it, you don't.

My sister-in-law's family uses the racist slang for Puerto Ricans in her local gripes (spick ?sp?) and I tell her to please refrain from it in my presence but when she's at her house, it comes out. What bothers me is that they use it in front of the kids and like they're saying "buddy".

I've tried to stress that just because someone else finds something acceptable, they shouldn't. I think letting them know about the history and the pain associated with these words helps them understand why they shouldn't find it acceptable.

The difficulty with my kids I find is that it is still sometimes confusing to them about when they should speak up about it. As stated, it's used so frequently in popular culture now that they don't yet have the tools to decide when they should tell someone off or not. I just tell them to not use it, speak up when someone uses it in a hateful manner, and refrain from using it yourself in casual conversation. Fortunately, my kids treat it like a 4 letter word.
 
Jaric said:
On a less serious note, has anyone brought up that saying you're going to fight every black person at the Kenny Chesney concert a bit of an empty threat?
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ROFL

Yeah, I'm guessing he wouldn't have said that at an Usher concert.
 
Michigan Dave said:
1. I'll forgive you once for lumping me in with the A2 hippies. The second time, we brawl.

2. I'm not saying anything about this situation specifically, aside from why that one word is substantially different than other "bad" words in society. I agree wholeheartedly about overcoming past obstacles--that's not what this is about though. The point I was making is that a white person using that word is mimicking behavior from the not-too-distant past that was used specifically to oppress, harass, and discriminate against blacks. It's different than other words. It doesn't mean the person against whom the language is used has to take it seriously. In fact, if you look at the backlash, most black commentators are all like "meh, whatevs" while it's whites perpetuating the attention.

Nothing has to do with words holding people back, rather how the use of the word by the speaker reflects on them as an individual, which is the issue.
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A- Unlike most on this board, I have actually spent considerable time there....some of it on purpose. :OMG: The "hippies" define the place. Hell they run the institution. Left wing liberal bastion of socialism. Sorry, it is what it is. I have yet to run into any M grad that hasn't been at least somewhat adversely affected and that includes my buddy that is also an attorney, graduated from Michigan and usually just calls the place Mecca. :bow: It isn't without its positives. The Irish bar on Main Street is a blast on weekend nights. Until a few years ago there was still a Drive-through package store around the corner from said Irish bar. The Michigan hockey team is very good (but you must do something with Yost) and should any of my three children be accepted (and I can afford to send them) I will be proud of the education they will get all the while undoing the liberal indoctrination whenever possible. Oh and the hospital is WorldClass.

B- The entire issue is contrived completely to use as a lever by certain Black "leaders" who are simply in the business of enriching themselves at the expense of the folks they are supposed to be leading. Calling it a double standard is just scratching the surface. When one group uses it as a positive descriptor of someone in their group it is illogical and manipulative to then turn around and call it a racist remark when someone not of their group uses it. But therein lies the point: false leaders have found a lever and use the past to pry advantage for themselves from it. Notice I said advantage for themselves, not for the people they claim to lead.

Do I use the word personally? No because I can't think of a reason where I would find it appropriate. If I were choosing to insult somebody, there would need to be a reason and that reason would define what I called them.....not the color of their skin, not the amount of hair on their head, not the place of their birth but solely the way that they behaved as it related to me, a person I care about or an issue I care about. Cut me off on I 94 and you're a "shitty driver" regardless of the color of your skin.
 
NFLN just reported that Cooper is returning to practice today.

That was quick.
 
Well it was just a spoken blunder.
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