For Bob ... a thread in which to ask football questions

[gomezcat]

Commercials.

Next time you're at a game watch for the guy on the visiting sideline wearing the forearm length florescent orange gloves no matter the weather. He is in charge of the game. He tells the ref when he can start the game action after every time-out (score, change of possession etc). He's the guy who makes sure the commercials get their guaranteed airtime.

Thanks. I've always wondered how that was decided. I'll keep an eye out for that when I next attend a game.

 

[Hawg73]

I assume you are speaking of the pyramids found in Egypt- and if so, the general consensus is that they are burial mounds, of which the most famous are of course at Giza. What nobody seems to agree upon is how they were built and by who, and this is a topic that I don't think will ever be conclusively settled.

You are correct that there have been many discoveries of "structures" that blatantly conflict with our concept of history- and some of them are in fact much older than 14,000 years. The problem is that the scientific community is notoriously resistant to change. They don't like to be told that the theories they spent a lifetime developing is now no good because a discovery has been made that contradicts their analyses (and this is part of the reason I took early retirement).

In 35 years in this field, I have come across a few strange things that cannot be explained, so I have to agree that the story of human evolution is much more complex than we can imagine. I do not imagine that anything will change anytime soon- in regard to how we view history in general, or we might have to continually update history textbooks every year, and in some cases throw some of them out. No easy answer here, I'm afraid.

Thanks.

I don't hijack a lot of threads around here, but when I saw your user name descriptive I just couldn't help but ask and your answers to my question were both interesting and a little cryptic, which is quite fitting.

Strange things, indeed. It amuses me to no end that best and brightest of modern minds can study some of this stuff closely and still kind of shrug their shoulders and say "Shit.....it beats the hell out of me.

Thanks again.

 

[RoadGrader]

Thank you for taking the time to answer.

Would you care to elaborate on the enforcements? (If you have the time). I seem to remember watching a game where five yards was tacked onto the first down achieve and could not for the life of me figure out how that occurred.

You're welcome.

The NFL Rule Book was written by lawyers and has been emended many times over the years. Reading it is similar in experience to reading Black's Rules of Evidence (with annotations).

firstly, here is the OFFICIAL 2010 NFL Rulebook

http://www.blogandtackle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/2010NFLRuleBook.pdf

secondly, here is a sorta-kinda answer to your specific penalty yds add on question, Bob

from page 93 [sub-section 1 | Article 5 | Subterranean section A.R. 14-2] of the 2010 NFL Rulebook

Rule 14 Penalty Enforcement
(Governing all cases not otherwise specifically provided for)

Section 1 Spot From Which Penalty in Foul is Enforced

Basic Spots
of
Enforcement Article 5

Exceptions:

A.R. 14.2 Second-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 is downed on the A35. Defensive B1 illegally uses
his hands on the A45 during run.

Ruling: The defensive foul is in advance of the basic spot (A35 where downed).

Penalize from the basic spot (A35). A’s ball first-and-10 on A40.

so as you can clearly see while the runner was downed on
(his own) 35 yd line, a +5 yd penalty for a Defensive Team (B) infraction away from the ball-carrier during the play is resultantly enforced giving the Offensive Team (A) an additional amount of positive yards forthwith theretofore and w/o any further energy expended by the foreskin of any player no matter how Offensive he may be

you are welcome and that will be $10.00, Bob

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[AllWorldTE]

$15.95+ MA Sales Tax if you are AWTE

Great work and most definitely worth the price. The cost even be tax deductible.

 

[midgar8784]

Hmmm, so does that mean that Sexy Rexy is ahead of his time and he has found a legal way to defend the "No Huddle"? Next year will we be seeing a plethora of fake injuries, unpenalized, against teams trying to run the "No Huddle"?

The only real drawback is the player has to leave for one play, other then that, it does not cost anything. Its really hard to come up with a rule to prevent it unless its within 2 minutes, so this one might just have to keep going.

 

[bob]

Commercials.

Next time you're at a game watch for the guy on the visiting sideline wearing the forearm length florescent orange gloves no matter the weather. He is in charge of the game. He tells the ref when he can start the game action after every time-out (score, change of possession etc). He's the guy who makes sure the commercials get their guaranteed airtime.

I enjoy learning tidbits like this. A few more fact and I may try to pass myself off as being intelligent when it comes to the game of football!

 

[bob]

Thanks to everyone for helping to answer my questions. I appreciate it.

 

[Hawg73]

Elaborate please Bob - im kinda interested in this stuff

I can't speak to what Bob has seen, but if this kind of thing gets your irish blood flowing then you should check this site out. There is a ton of interesting stuff to be discovered and the articles tend to be thorough, well-written and missing the kind of wild speculation typical of the Eric VonDaniken-types. It also offers a ton of supporting photos.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/

Check it out when you have some time, because if you are anything like me you will want to spend hours poking around in there. It doesn't have everything, but will give a pretty good overview of a lot of the remarkable discoveries in the field of archaeology and many related things of interest.

As a tip, click the link to Puma Punku over on the right-hand vertical banner. It's one of my favorites and truly defies explanation. It doesn't look like much at first, but the more you see the more truly remarkable it becomes.

 

[O_P_T]

As far as when a penalty is tacked on vs take the penalty or the play is concerned, a general rule of thumb is how "bad" the penalty is.

Personal fouls are certainly "bad" penalties and so they are typically tacked on to the existing play.

Offsides or illegal procedure are not considered "bad" so they are the play or the penalty category.

Generally, the more likely the penalty is to result in an injury to a player the "worse" it is considered to be.

As far as the 10 second run off is concerned, as others pointed out that rule only applies in the last 2 minutes of either half.

That is actually what the "warning" is at the 2 minute warning. The refs remind the teams that they are in the final two minutes and the rules have changed.

 

[AllWorldTE]

That is actually what the "warning" is at the 2 minute warning. The refs remind the teams that they are in the final two minutes and the rules have changed.

Plus it gives them the opportunity to squeeze in about fifteen commercials.

 

[Claremonster]

I can't speak to what Bob has seen, but if this kind of thing gets your irish blood flowing then you should check this site out. There is a ton of interesting stuff to be discovered and the articles tend to be thorough, well-written and missing the kind of wild speculation typical of the Eric VonDaniken-types. It also offers a ton of supporting photos.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/

Check it out when you have some time, because if you are anything like me you will want to spend hours poking around in there. It doesn't have everything, but will give a pretty good overview of a lot of the remarkable discoveries in the field of archaeology and many related things of interest.

As a tip, click the link to Puma Punku over on the right-hand vertical banner. It's one of my favorites and truly defies explanation. It doesn't look like much at first, but the more you see the more truly remarkable it becomes.

I was talking to a guy who was big into Science, and scoffed at any native "creation story" as myth, and that anyone who believed in anything like that was ignorant, etc...

Then I explained how, if one read one of the Iroquois creation stories through a science lens, one could see the concept of aliens coming to Earth via a wormhole, and terraforming it to support life. So maybe we ain't so stupid after all.

For some reason he got mad at me. Not sure why. ROFL

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I was talking to a guy who was big into Science, and scoffed at any native "creation story" as myth, and that anyone who believed in anything like that was ignorant, etc...

Then I explained how, if one read one of the Iroquois creation stories through a science lens, one could see the concept of aliens coming to Earth via a wormhole, and terraforming it to support life. So maybe we ain't so stupid after all.

For some reason he got mad at me. Not sure why. ROFL

Science Fiction authors have used Biblical themes for story background, it's hardly surprising your hemp smoking ancestors covering the long house smoke holes would string the science fiction story belts which inspired Picasso.

:spaghetti: I can just see some munchie crazed Mohawk looking at the wormy apple in his hand and tripping out on wormholes and terraforming turtles & ravens. There's a reason they made such good iron workers.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Yes, I'm aware that the internet gives free rein to rudeness and a lack of civil behavior, but that does not mean I will follow suit. I have always believed in treating other people with courtesy (the way I would want to be treated).

My comment was sarcastic. I tend to try and bring a little sophmoric humor to the joint. Don't take offense.

 

[bob]

Elaborate please Bob - im kinda interested in this stuff

Nothing too exciting I'm afraid. Certainly no flying saucers.

There are quite a few things I've come across that I have no answer or explanation for.

For example, on one of our digs, we came across this delicate vase that was made out of stone, and had a narrow neck (you couldn't fit a child's hand through it). It had such a smooth texture inside and outside, that you would think it'd have been thrown clay shaped on a potter's wheel, but common sense dictates that you can't do that with stone.

The big mystery is how the interior of this vase came to be so smooth and shaped, considering now narrow the neck was. I have no idea what tools were used, if any.

 

[bob]

I can't speak to what Bob has seen, but if this kind of thing gets your irish blood flowing then you should check this site out. There is a ton of interesting stuff to be discovered and the articles tend to be thorough, well-written and missing the kind of wild speculation typical of the Eric VonDaniken-types. It also offers a ton of supporting photos.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/

Check it out when you have some time, because if you are anything like me you will want to spend hours poking around in there. It doesn't have everything, but will give a pretty good overview of a lot of the remarkable discoveries in the field of archaeology and many related things of interest.

As a tip, click the link to Puma Punku over on the right-hand vertical banner. It's one of my favorites and truly defies explanation. It doesn't look like much at first, but the more you see the more truly remarkable it becomes.

In regard to Puma Punku- there's a lot more conventional explanations for many of the things that are there, than you may be aware of. Extra-terrestrial assistance seems to be the easy knee-jerk answers for many unexplained things, and Puma Punku at first glance is no exception.

But when you take a closer look- the ruins are diorite and andesite, scarcely impenetrable (as Granite would be). Copper tools have been shown to have made groove in the stones found at Puma Punku. In fact, one reason for the E.T. claims have been the famous 1 cm grooves running down the stones and of which have been claimed to be very precise. This has been found to not be the case- also there are stones with unfinished grooves that bear marks of copper tools.

And while the carvings, fitting, and transportation of large stone seem to defy explanation- we keep forgetting that people back then essentially had the same brains we do now, and while their technological astuteness is not as refined as it is now, they still had a great deal of intelligence, and mastering stone was an art and a science to them.

For example, carving a stone wheel would be considered "very easy" today, but if you look at it practically, who would even know how to do that, much less have the tools to do it? It is something we know is very easy to do, yet we have no skill to do it because we no longer need to do it, so to speak. In that vein, it is easy to assume that people were "dumb" back then, and the presence of those extraordinary stones were therefore the result of extra-terrestrial interference.

 

[bob]

My comment was sarcastic. I tend to try and bring a little sophmoric humor to the joint. Don't take offense.

No offense taken at all. I am aware that you were being humorous.

 

[Annihilus]

In regard to Puma Punku- there's a lot more conventional explanations for many of the things that are there, than you may be aware of. Extra-terrestrial assistance seems to be the easy knee-jerk answers for many unexplained things, and Puma Punku at first glance is no exception.

But when you take a closer look- the ruins are diorite and andesite, scarcely impenetrable (as Granite would be). Copper tools have been shown to have made groove in the stones found at Puma Punku. In fact, one reason for the E.T. claims have been the famous 1 cm grooves running down the stones and of which have been claimed to be very precise. This has been found to not be the case- also there are stones with unfinished grooves that bear marks of copper tools.

And while the carvings, fitting, and transportation of large stone seem to defy explanation- we keep forgetting that people back then essentially had the same brains we do now, and while their technological astuteness is not as refined as it is now, they still had a great deal of intelligence, and mastering stone was an art and a science to them.

For example, carving a stone wheel would be considered "very easy" today, but if you look at it practically, who would even know how to do that, much less have the tools to do it? It is something we know is very easy to do, yet we have no skill to do it because we no longer need to do it, so to speak. In that vein, it is easy to assume that people were "dumb" back then, and the presence of those extraordinary stones were therefore the result of extra-terrestrial interference.

Hey, maybe as a trade-off you should start your own thread where you answer everyone's archeological questions - that's some good info there; I find that stuff fascinating. Good to have you here!

:Lwelcome:

 

[Jaric]

Hmmm, so does that mean that Sexy Rexy is ahead of his time and he has found a legal way to defend the "No Huddle"? Next year will we be seeing a plethora of fake injuries, unpenalized, against teams trying to run the "No Huddle"?

That's nothing new. It's being going on since the 80s and has even been used by the Patriots on occasion.

 

[bob]

Hey, maybe as a trade-off you should start your own thread where you answer everyone's archeological questions - that's some good info there; I find that stuff fascinating. Good to have you here!

:Lwelcome:

In exchange for having my football questions answered, I would be more than happy to answer any archaeological questions!

 

[Muse]

In exchange for having my football questions answered, I would be more than happy to answer any archaeological questions!

Would you really for am curious where you been, how long it took to get your degree, what made you decide to become one, what is your specialty and on and so on, your a gem for us here for suer