Random Football News

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
Sigh. This is why players should be at OTAs.
 

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
Pretty cool comments from Jimmy here on helping Lance. He talked about how Tom helped him learn the ropes and be a competitor and he looks forward to doing the same for Lance. I really think the media blows these QB competitions out of the water. I would imagine Cam will do the same with Mac.

 

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
What is going on in Tampa with Brady is really killing Rodgers. LOL. Apparently he is upset the Packers cut one of his receivers.

 

chevss454

Data-driven decision-making is science and art.
Joined
Mar 8, 2010
Messages
61,643
Reaction score
11,176
Points
113
Location
Canton, MA
What is going on in Tampa with Brady is really killing Rodgers. LOL. Apparently he is upset the Packers cut one of his receivers.


Why do you think the rift between Rodgers and Gute has anything to do with Brady? I don't see the connection.
 

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
Why do you think the rift between Rodgers and Gute has anything to do with Brady? I don't see the connection.
It has been reported that Rodgers wants the type of influence over the roster in GB that Brady has in Tampa.
 

chevss454

Data-driven decision-making is science and art.
Joined
Mar 8, 2010
Messages
61,643
Reaction score
11,176
Points
113
Location
Canton, MA
It has been reported that Rodgers wants the type of influence over the roster in GB that Brady has in Tampa.

Ah, I get it. That's probably some of it, little things do add up. This rift between Rodgers and Gute began a year ago, however; long before Brady showed any influence in Tampa.
Drafting Love started it. Then Packers Coach Matt LaFleur made the dumb decision to attempt a close field goal, while down by 8 points late in the championship game, instead of trusting Rodgers to throw a tying touchdown. The Packers not extending him is another source of discontent; rather, they asked him to restructure his deal...he refused. There seem to be a lot of contributing factors to Rodgers' unhappiness.
 
Last edited:

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
Ah, I get it. That's probably some of it, little things do add up. This rift between Rodgers and Gute began a year ago, however; long before Brady showed any influence in Tampa.
Drafting Love started it. Then Packers Coach Matt LaFleur made the dumb decision to attempt a close field goal, while down by 8 points late in the game, instead of trusting Rodgers to throw a tying touchdown. The Packers not extending him is another source of discontent; rather, they asked him to restructure his deal...he refused. There seem to be a lot of contributing factors to Rodgers' unhappiness.
Yep. There are a ton of things in the relationship. I think Brady going to Tampa and winning is just kind of the cherry on top because he had so much say on the roster. But things as you say having been going south for a long time.

I think what is tough for Rogers is he still has 3 years left on his deal. He also did not negotiate a no trade clause either when he signed so he is stuck with the contract he signed. I am not sure why he is peeved as he just won league MVP. There is no chance of Love taking his job anytime soon but if he has no faith in the GM than that is a different story. It will kill GB to trade him this year cap-wise even if they wait until after June 1st. I think he is going to have to sit or play at least for this year and then they trade him next year but he seems very dug in so he may just retire which would be a shame as he is good for the game.
 

chevss454

Data-driven decision-making is science and art.
Joined
Mar 8, 2010
Messages
61,643
Reaction score
11,176
Points
113
Location
Canton, MA
I don't give Brady the credit you do for what's going on in GB between Rodgers and the GB FO.

Actually, I think Gute is simply a pawn and he's doing what GB President and CEO Mark Murphy wants him to do. Murphy has the rep of being power hungry.
He's made a mess of this Rodgers situation.
 
Last edited:

foobahl

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 6, 2007
Messages
4,310
Reaction score
1,822
Points
113
Location
the only Henniker on earth
I don't give Brady the credit you do for what's going on in GB between Rodgers and the GB FO.

Actually, I think Gute is simply a pawn and he's doing what GB President and CEO Mark Murphy wants him to do. Murphy has the rep of being power hungry.
He's made a mess of this Rodgers situation.
I heard Easterby was going to GB next, after he finishes the job in Houston.
 

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
I don't give Brady the credit you do for what's going on in GB between Rodgers and the GB FO.

Actually, I think Gute is simply a pawn and he's doing what GB President and CEO Mark Murphy wants him to do. Murphy has the rep of being power hungry.
He's made a mess of this Rodgers situation.
I think "credit" is the wrong word here. Like I said, I think Brady coming to the NFC and having the Tampa GM let him making so many of the personnel moves that led to them beating GB and winning the chip is something that irks Rodgers much the same way it did for Wilson right after the SB when he was also whining about wanting more control of personnel. I don't by any means think it is the main reason for Rodgers discontent either, like I said, I think it is the proverbial cherry on the top of an already bad situation.

I normally side with the players in these types of disputes but Rodgers has been insufferable with the Love draft pick. I get that he loathed it because he wanted more talented around him but at age 37, it is wise for any org to start grooming the next guy. Why he took that much offense seems over the top to me but then again he is an extremely sensitive guy who believes everything revolves around him. This report coming out saying he wants Gute fired is really damning and he has not said a peep to either confirm or deny it. I think that is pretty cowardly of him in this situation. He has no leverage here in terms of his contract so he is seems really bent on doing everything he can to throw garbage on the org. He has really lost his fan support in GB too if you read their forums or listen to their local radio.
 

Mazz22

The Patriot Way was really the Brady Way
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
Messages
11,864
Reaction score
1,346
Points
113
Location
MA
This is a long read but gives so much insight into Rodgers and and his problems. This was from 2019 right when LaFleur was hired. Many first accounts of his attitude and how it affects the organization. Of course the Packers denied this report, just like they denied several in the the last decade. These are mostly former teammates speaking negatively about him. It also gets into the stuff many have speculated about - stat padding, going off script, selfishness, sensitivity, etc.

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649
 
Last edited:

HSanders

omitted out of respect to Mrs.Jastremski
Joined
Jun 15, 2006
Messages
27,329
Reaction score
6,255
Points
113
Location
on Pats Planet
ironic irony is ironic...🤣
 

Hawg73

Mediocre with flashes of brilliance
Joined
Nov 26, 2002
Messages
22,502
Reaction score
3,950
Points
113
Age
65
Location
Gumdrop house on Lollipop Ln.
It has been reported that Rodgers wants the type of influence over the roster in GB that Brady has in Tampa.

Yep. Tom got to dial up a good situation for himself, get away from the cold and have a say in who his teammates would be and won another ring. His example, along with
Mahomes has reset the bar for what a top QB can do in the NFL and Rodgers has probably always thought he was at least as good, if not better than Brady, so.......yes, I think having a say is a bigger part in his rift with GB than is commonly believed.

In the end, it's all about having the clout to call your own shots and not have to just be an employee. Looks like GB isn't planning on rolling over for him, either.
 

Roberto71

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 17, 2012
Messages
10,824
Reaction score
1,649
Points
113
Location
Dublin, Ireland
It's a bad trend. Players play and coaches coach. The best coaches were always dictators. That is a common theme in all sports, soccer in Europe a good example as well. Alex Ferguson, Matt Busy, Shankly, Stein, they were all the boss with no questions asked.

Great players seldom make great coaches so it's a dangerous myths to believe players have something to offer the coaches in terms of strategy, tactics etc. They don't. Players egos think they can of course.

As soon as you see a coach trying to be the players friend you know it's curtains.

Coaches can go too far the other way as well of course, Great Sciano, Matt Patricia were too dictatorial and didn't have the success to back it up.
 

Inspector_50

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2020
Messages
4,904
Reaction score
926
Points
113
Location
California
Sigh. This is why players should be at OTAs.
It could probably happen anywhere.
It's a bad trend. Players play and coaches coach. The best coaches were always dictators. That is a common theme in all sports, soccer in Europe a good example as well. Alex Ferguson, Matt Busy, Shankly, Stein, they were all the boss with no questions asked.

Great players seldom make great coaches so it's a dangerous myths to believe players have something to offer the coaches in terms of strategy, tactics etc. They don't. Players egos think they can of course.

As soon as you see a coach trying to be the players friend you know it's curtains.

Coaches can go too far the other way as well of course, Great Sciano, Matt Patricia were too dictatorial and didn't have the success to back it up.
Players can for sure make coaches seem better. Look at arians. If a great coach does not have the players he is not winning, but good players can make a coach win
 

Inspector_50

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2020
Messages
4,904
Reaction score
926
Points
113
Location
California
Yep. Tom got to dial up a good situation for himself, get away from the cold and have a say in who his teammates would be and won another ring. His example, along with
Mahomes has reset the bar for what a top QB can do in the NFL and Rodgers has probably always thought he was at least as good, if not better than Brady, so.......yes, I think having a say is a bigger part in his rift with GB than is commonly believed.

In the end, it's all about having the clout to call your own shots and not have to just be an employee. Looks like GB isn't planning on rolling over for him, either.
The odd thing on Rodgers is what team that needs a QB right now is a better situation than GB? They have a very good oline, good D, good weapons. I am not sure what he is looking for exactly. I have heard things like he feels disrespected and it stems from them taking Love, and then he was upset this year because they took a corner. This is why I said before Rodgers would have never been happy with Belichick as GM.
 

Darth Despot

Not a real 'Merican - apparently
Joined
May 13, 2005
Messages
20,298
Reaction score
1,597
Points
113
Location
Upgraded to Probable
Website
tokevinwithlove.wordpress.com
A players lifespan is time limited (even Tommy's) so they always have an incentive to win now. A Coach and a General Manager must have a longer term view,.

Rogers is pissed because the GM decided to take a longer term view and draft his replacement, which oddly enough seems to be the root of Brady's discontent as well. I suppose there is a hint of Irony in the Rogers situation after the Favre fiasco.

This is a tale as old as time, but in today's NFL certain elite QBs have the juice to do something about it.
 

Inspector_50

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2020
Messages
4,904
Reaction score
926
Points
113
Location
California
A players lifespan is time limited (even Tommy's) so they always have an incentive to win now. A Coach and a General Manager must have a longer term view,.

Rogers is pissed because the GM decided to take a longer term view and draft his replacement, which oddly enough seems to be the root of Brady's discontent as well. I suppose there is a hint of Irony in the Rogers situation after the Favre fiasco.

This is a tale as old as time, but in today's NFL certain elite QBs have the juice to do something about it.
Well a bit. The pats drafted JG, Brady didnt seem to mind, it was when they talked about letting Brady go is when he questioned what his future was on the team. Nobody has talked about trading Rodgers, and Rodgers has blasted it all over the media, Brady didnt or did he say he wanted Bill fired, or did he say dont draft a defender I want this and that.
 
Top