Super Bowl LII - Patriots (-5.5) vs. Philadelphia

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Giant Octopodes said:
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Mind you, that's assuming the Pats offense can break its mold and have a good rhythm early. If the Pats can just get a good early rhythm (say 7 in the first quarter, 21 before the half) this is not just a winnable matchup, it could be a blowout.
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So, 4 points?
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Are the 2017 Eagles the best of the 8 Patriots Super Bowl opponents in the Brady/Belichick era?

• Only opponent with a top 5 scoring offense & top 5 scoring defense

• Only opp. with a top 5 defense in PPG, YPG, and takeaways (31)
 
chevss454 said:
NFL Research‏Verified account @NFLResearch <small class="time"> </small>
Are the 2017 Eagles the best of the 8 Patriots Super Bowl opponents in the Brady/Belichick era?

• Only opponent with a top 5 scoring offense & top 5 scoring defense

• Only opp. with a top 5 defense in PPG, YPG, and takeaways (31)
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Most of those offensive stats were accumulated with Wentz at QB. I think this Eagles team is not even up to par with the Eagles team we played in 2004 much less the Rams, Seattle and Atlanta.
 
chevss454 said:
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Are the 2017 Eagles the best of the 8 Patriots Super Bowl opponents in the Brady/Belichick era?

• Only opponent with a top 5 scoring offense & top 5 scoring defense

• Only opp. with a top 5 defense in PPG, YPG, and takeaways (31)
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The Eagles played 2 playoff teams during the regular season and lost one of them so they were 1-1 against playoff teams. (Wentz was the QB for both of them.

The Patriots played 7 playoff team games (or 6 if counting Bills once. Which would be fair as they are a "lower tier" playoff team, but are a division opponent so that raises them up some IMO.) They were 5-2 against Playoff teams.

The Eagles "stats" were the benefit of a 4 game stretch where they played 49ers (before JG), the disaster that is Denver, Chicongo and Dallas without Elliot. All of those games were under Wentz also. Those 4 games against absolutely inferior competition really skewed the stats heavily towards the Eagles.

You only play who they put in front of you and the Eagles are certainly a very good team, but as Bill says, "Let's not put them in Canton yet."

I think the Pats are a big upgrade to what the Eagles have mostly faced this season on both sides of the ball. Any given Sunday and all that, but I see the Eagles as over "ranked" and the Pats as "ranked" well on O and under "ranked" on D, though not terribly so. (However under Bill they almost never will rank well under yards given up.)

I'm not discounting the Eagles, but I certainly don't view them as some kind of juggernaut like the stats indicate.
 
Great news!

Gronk is back in full pads.
Wise is also back.
Malcom Brown is still out (foot)
 
Does anyone have a pro football focus subscription or a BSPN insider subscription? I'm not going to sign up for one article but they have a ranking of all 106 players by their PFF grade, and I'd be very curious to know the broad strokes results of that (which position groups do Pats / Eagles have higher average ranked players in their books, who has the higher overall average ranking between the teams, and so on). If anyone could share any interesting tidbits from that I would appreciate it.
 
According to Reiss, Gronk is still in the protocol. I assume this is step 4 out of 5. He doesn’t say if the same is true for Wise, but I assume that is also the case.


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Giant Octopodes said:
Does anyone have a pro football focus subscription or a BSPN insider subscription? I'm not going to sign up for one article but they have a ranking of all 106 players by their PFF grade, and I'd be very curious to know the broad strokes results of that (which position groups do Pats / Eagles have higher average ranked players in their books, who has the higher overall average ranking between the teams, and so on). If anyone could share any interesting tidbits from that I would appreciate it.
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PFF wrote the article for ESPN so it's not on the PFF site. I have the PFF grades though and it's not real pretty for the Pats.

Patriots offense
Brady 95.5
Gronk 92.5
Lewis 87.4
Andrews 81.3
Mason 81.3
Amendola 79.6
Thuney 79.3
Develin 79.3
Cooks 77.2
Solder 75.1
White 69.9
DAllen 55.6
Hogan 47.6
Waddle 47.5

Eagles defense
Cox 91.5
Graham 91.0
Robinson 90.6
Kendricks 87.3
Curry 85.3
Darby 84.4
Jenkins 83.6
Long 83.3
Bradham 82.2
McLeod 79.1
Mills 77.3
Ellerbe 55.8

Patriots defense
Gilmore 88.1
Flowers 87.4
Brown 83.8
McCourty 82.3
Chung 81.3
MButler 79.2
Harrison 77.5
MFlowers 55.7
AButler 52
Richards 49
Van Noy 47.8
Rowe 43.6
Wise 42
Roberts 41.6
Lee 41.5

Eagles offense
JKelce 91.7
Brooks 87.3
Johnson 85.3
Ajayi 83
Ertz 82.2
Jeffery 80.5
Agholor 79.4
Wisniewski 75.3
Foles 68.1
Smith 45.9
Celek 43.1
Vaitai 41.2





 
chevss454 said:
NFL Research‏Verified account @NFLResearch <small class="time"> </small>
Are the 2017 Eagles the best of the 8 Patriots Super Bowl opponents in the Brady/Belichick era?

• Only opponent with a top 5 scoring offense & top 5 scoring defense

• Only opp. with a top 5 defense in PPG, YPG, and takeaways (31)
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The Eagles also benefited from a 4th place schedule and a pretty weak NFC East.
 
Michael Lombardi‏Verified account @mlombardiNFL <small class="time"> </small>
This is an amazing stat, the Eagles defense has only defended 56 passes all
season when they have TRAILED in the game--36/56 444, 4tds and 3 picks,
in other words, they rarely play from behind.


ummmm...not sure this is exactly what that stat means...could be but...
Maybe the games are close all game long & the opponent is trying to run out the clock...just guessing here.
 
I think it is Lombardi just beating the drum that the Eagles are a worthy opponent. You can find any stat you want to support your position. I get it on one level as the NFL needs to hype this game no matter what and having Brady play an inferior QB for the third time now is hard to spin as a positive for the opponent but they have to try. I truly believe this will be a competitive, tight game but the lengths the media is going through to pump Philly really makes me feel good about this match up. I also like that BB is having 4 straight days of practice. Have to think he has some surprises in store. And it is worth mentioning again that BB since 2001 has never lost in the playoffs to a team he has not played in the regular season.
 
chevss454 said:
PFF wrote the article for ESPN so it's not on the PFF site. I have the PFF grades though and it's not real pretty for the Pats.

Patriots offense
Brady 95.5
Gronk 92.5
Lewis 87.4
Andrews 81.3
Mason 81.3
Amendola 79.6
Thuney 79.3
Develin 79.3
Cooks 77.2
Solder 75.1
White 69.9
DAllen 55.6
Hogan 47.6
Waddle 47.5

Eagles defense
Cox 91.5
Graham 91.0
Robinson 90.6
Kendricks 87.3
Curry 85.3
Darby 84.4
Jenkins 83.6
Long 83.3
Bradham 82.2
McLeod 79.1
Mills 77.3
Ellerbe 55.8

Patriots defense
Gilmore 88.1
Flowers 87.4
Brown 83.8
McCourty 82.3
Chung 81.3
MButler 79.2
Harrison 77.5
MFlowers 55.7
AButler 52
Richards 49
Van Noy 47.8
Rowe 43.6
Wise 42
Roberts 41.6
Lee 41.5

Eagles offense
JKelce 91.7
Brooks 87.3
Johnson 85.3
Ajayi 83
Ertz 82.2
Jeffery 80.5
Agholor 79.4
Wisniewski 75.3
Foles 68.1
Smith 45.9
Celek 43.1
Vaitai 41.2
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This is genuinely LOL ridiculous. Van Noy and Wise are worse than Richards? Waddle and Hogan are worse at their respective positions than Richards is at safety?

I'm supposed to believe this is anything but pure bullshit? :LOL: ROFL
 
Ryan91 said:
The Eagles also benefited from a 4th place schedule and a pretty weak NFC East.
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When Wentz went down, they did not play great, struggled with the Raiders who were just awful, struggled with Atlanta. I watched that game, it was horrid, Atlanta might have had the worst play calls I have ever seen. They struggled with Dallas but the game was meaningless but bad even when starters were in. Vikings an obvious outlier, so what are they really? I don't know
 
Full attendance at practice :dbanana:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video: Starting DT Malcom Brown (90), who was held out of practices this week (foot), is back on the field. LB Elandon Roberts (52) welcomes him to the rhythm of the music. <a href="https://t.co/LCvbYPVZwJ">pic.twitter.com/LCvbYPVZwJ</a></p>— Mike Reiss (@MikeReiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/957666870521364480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rob Gronkowski is present at the start of practice for the second day in a row. DT Malcom Brown (foot) is also present, as is DE Deatrich Wise Jr. (concussion). <a href="https://t.co/WZ8kUQY9T3">pic.twitter.com/WZ8kUQY9T3</a></p>— Mike Reiss (@MikeReiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/957665748155019265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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mooseontheloose said:
Let's hope they played their SB last week.
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Yeah, it was just odd, leading up to that game, people really questioned the offense because of how they had played, hell even the D was suspect at times, Eli picked them apart, so I'm not sure if the Vikings game was just one of those games where the ball starts rolling and everything goes right, or they suddenly just figured everything out.
 
The stat that Kacsmar posted that blows my mind is that B.B. is 15-0 coaching in the playoffs against a team that he hadn’t played that season.

Let that sink in for a moment.


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bideau said:
Full attendance at practice :dbanana:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video: Starting DT Malcom Brown (90), who was held out of practices this week (foot), is back on the field. LB Elandon Roberts (52) welcomes him to the rhythm of the music. <a href="https://t.co/LCvbYPVZwJ">pic.twitter.com/LCvbYPVZwJ</a></p>— Mike Reiss (@MikeReiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/957666870521364480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rob Gronkowski is present at the start of practice for the second day in a row. DT Malcom Brown (foot) is also present, as is DE Deatrich Wise Jr. (concussion). <a href="https://t.co/WZ8kUQY9T3">pic.twitter.com/WZ8kUQY9T3</a></p>— Mike Reiss (@MikeReiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/957665748155019265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Fantastic! :toast:
 
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