aloyouis
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There is a very easy way to construct poll option on Twitter. They didn’t use it because they were looking for retweets.
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Mac Jones Is Our QB1
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There is a very easy way to construct poll option on Twitter. They didn’t use it because they were looking for retweets.
I noticed that too!
sneaky/smart on their part.Fields might do well given a team and an o-line.... since he has neither in Chicago it's going to be more like "can Justin Fields run for his life long enough to get thru the year"
Lets hope Mac doesn't have to do the same for any length of time behind Pats O-Line.
Phil Elliott
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LOL, ludicrous. Widespread national Patriots fatigue continues unabated. Honestly, anyone who chose Fields over Jones is: 1) an idiot, 2) engaging in wishful thinking, 3) from another planet, or 4) some combination of all 3. And, anyone who comes on here and tries to campaign for Fields over Jones is a genuine moron and troll.
Happy 24th bday to QB1.
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i love that he has a cake that an eight year old boy would also love.
Mazz22
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Why should he at this point?
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Flagg the Wanderer
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Compared to Fields at this point?
Well, you see, it's like this. Fields was drafted before Jones, therefore that means Fields will always and forever will be a better QB and have the more impressive career.
I know this, because that argument was used on me on the old IndyStar board during the early days of the Brady/Manning rivalry.
Mazz22
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Fields was considered a much higher prospect than Jones in the draft and he also has a flashier game. Mac has the same issue as all patriots quarterbacks have had at the start of their careers. He is going to be considered a system quarterback until he shows he is otherwise. I mean we all should know at this point that Bill is the patriots show. He will always get the national attention over the players.
Flagg the Wanderer
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No, he wasn't considered a much higher prospect. Mac was widely considered to be the presumptive #3 overall pick up until pretty close to draft day, and everyone knew he wasn't sliding past #15. Fields went just a few picks before, and was rarely if ever mocked in the top 5. So how was he a "much higher prospect"?
Mazz22
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Field was considered to have a more dynamic game than Mac. The reason why Mac was considered to go at number three is because many considered him to be a great fit for Shanahan‘s system. But of course the 49ers ended up taking Lance as they were just bluffing.
But I also think we have to be real about the national media. They’re not just covering the play on the field. They’re also covering the personality and the off-the-field stuff as well as that drives their viewership. Mac is pretty ho hum, soft-spoken and of course plays for Bill so he is not going to get the same type of national attention as some of the more dynamic guys. There just isn’t a lot of sizzle with Mac which I prefer but of course that is not what the national media is going to cover.
spacecrime
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Agree here. Funny thing is I was hoping for Trey Lance to slip to us because I was certain that Mac would go #3. That said, Fields would have been my third choice (well, fourth if you include Trevor Lawrence
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spacecrime
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So what? This thread isn't about the media. It's about a fan poll about who you would want to have as your QB for the next five years. Fields got 3,300 votes. Mac Jones got 161. Given how each performed in their first year, this makes little sense.
I guess the national media enters into this as they are in love with what you call 'dynamic' players, and that becomes what fans see and believe. But you'd think at least more that 161 fans would sit up straight, furrow their brows in thought, and say, "Wait a minute. If you look at arguably the three best QBs in NFL history: Brady, Montana, Manning, none were dynamic and athletically gifted. All were cerebral. Hmmm, maybe we might need to adjust out thought patterns..." No, of course not. Who runs the fastest? THAT's whom I want for my QB!!!!!.
I remember you called Mac Jones a dinosaur back on draft day, but, rreally, I think that was just a slam aimed at BB.
I don't see how anyone can possibly justify 161 votes for Mac Jones and 3,300 for Justin Fields.
Mazz22
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I was only commenting on Chevs statement which is why I edited his post to reflect the national media comment and not the poll.
I agree with the rest of your post. I never remember calling Mac a dinosaur though perhaps you can find the post?
aloyouis
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Of course, it was a slam. She isn’t capable of much more on here.
With regard to the Twitter poll, it was a set up for retweets only. Not in order to choose fields over Mac, but in order to increase their own Twittersphere awareness amongst people. It worked.
spacecrime
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I'll try. There were a couple things you didn't like about him. He was also only good because he had good WRs and he would never be able to carry a team, presumably the way Brady could.
Mazz22
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Man. Please find the posts where I said any of that.
spacecrime
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There were a number of draft weekend threads about Jones. I only looked in the first one.
Didn't take long to find a slew of posts. At lot of posts I copied didn't didn't get pasted to this sheet for some reason. I had a couple where you wish we'd kept Brissett and not drafted Jones. And I seem to have lost the posts about 2 WRs drafted in the top 10 that made Jones look better than he is. you can find them in the thread linked above, though. Didn't copy all applicable posts as you started repeating yourself. And I just grabbed a lot by you so some might not apply. These are all cut and paste btw, all your words:
Jones is not a QB that can create on his own and make plays happen. In other words, he is not going to elevate those around him. They will have to elevate him.
I am down on Jones compared to the other 4 not because he is not a dual threat (which I already said) but because he cannot create on his own. He is not dynamic at all the way the other 4 QBs are and his arm is average at best. I worry about this now more so than 2000 because the league has changed dramatically in terms of the offense. The league is much more predicated on the play of the QB and his ability to create and elevate those around him combined with passing rules that favor the passing game at an unprecedented level.
ith that as the back drop, I am happy we got a Qb and that we didn't have to trade up. I do like a lot of Jones traits of being smart and a leader but he is not the type of Qb you want in today's league. He can't move, has no escapabiliy. He played on a stacked team.
I had Jones as the 5th Qb of the 5. He is the one I wanted the least.
I think when you look at the landscape of today's NFL offenses and not just the QB position by itself, you see dynamic offenses because the college game has pulled through and the rules allow the pass game to be so criminally easy.
I truly hope Mac is the best of the lot but the odds are pretty stacked against him. We really don't know yet if he can mentally handle the NFL game. Playing for Bama on a stacked team does not make him mentally superior to the other Qbs especially Lawrence who is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck.
I am not sure why you keep mentioning Lamar. None of the QBs taken this year is Lamar. He is in a class by himself much the way Vick and Newton were when they first entered the league. QBs like Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen are what you want for today's game ideally. It does not mean you can't win with a different style but they give you everything you need in today's game to be successful - their football IQ and decision making are great, they can extend plays, run for first downs and make every throw in the book and then some.
I am very interested to see how Mac develops his arm. That is probably the weakest part of his game especially compared to the QBs taken ahead of him. He also needs to develop his body and drop the flab and put on muscle so he can withstand the punishment given he is a smallish type QB. (good call here
)I am not sure I agree with Cosell that the pure drop back passer, ala Brady, Eli, Peyton, Brees, will have a future in today's game. There is a reason why Mac dropped to #15 and went last of all the QBs ahead of him. It is precisely because he cannot extend plays/improv like the other QBs. So there has been a sea shift change in what GMs want and that is because the offenses have changed so much over the past 5-8 years IMO
I've only had you off ignore for a few hours and I already wasted a ton of time rehashing old bullshit posts. The joke's on me I guess, but ignore is back on you
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Mazz22
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So no dinosaur? Lol.There were a number of draft weekend threads about Jones. I only looked in the first one.
Didn't take long to find a slew of posts. At lot of posts I copied didn't didn't get pasted to this sheet for some reason. I had a couple where you wish we'd kept Brissett and not drafted Jones. And I seem to have lost the posts about 2 WRs drafted in the top 10 that made Jones look better than he is. you can find them in the thread linked above, though. Didn't copy all applicable posts as you started repeating yourself. And I just grabbed a lot by you so some might not apply. These are all cut and paste btw, all your words:
Jones is not a QB that can create on his own and make plays happen. In other words, he is not going to elevate those around him. They will have to elevate him.
I am down on Jones compared to the other 4 not because he is not a dual threat (which I already said) but because he cannot create on his own. He is not dynamic at all the way the other 4 QBs are and his arm is average at best. I worry about this now more so than 2000 because the league has changed dramatically in terms of the offense. The league is much more predicated on the play of the QB and his ability to create and elevate those around him combined with passing rules that favor the passing game at an unprecedented level.
ith that as the back drop, I am happy we got a Qb and that we didn't have to trade up. I do like a lot of Jones traits of being smart and a leader but he is not the type of Qb you want in today's league. He can't move, has no escapabiliy. He played on a stacked team.
I had Jones as the 5th Qb of the 5. He is the one I wanted the least.
I think when you look at the landscape of today's NFL offenses and not just the QB position by itself, you see dynamic offenses because the college game has pulled through and the rules allow the pass game to be so criminally easy.
I truly hope Mac is the best of the lot but the odds are pretty stacked against him. We really don't know yet if he can mentally handle the NFL game. Playing for Bama on a stacked team does not make him mentally superior to the other Qbs especially Lawrence who is the most NFL ready QB since Andrew Luck.
I am not sure why you keep mentioning Lamar. None of the QBs taken this year is Lamar. He is in a class by himself much the way Vick and Newton were when they first entered the league. QBs like Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen are what you want for today's game ideally. It does not mean you can't win with a different style but they give you everything you need in today's game to be successful - their football IQ and decision making are great, they can extend plays, run for first downs and make every throw in the book and then some.
I am very interested to see how Mac develops his arm. That is probably the weakest part of his game especially compared to the QBs taken ahead of him. He also needs to develop his body and drop the flab and put on muscle so he can withstand the punishment given he is a smallish type QB. (good call here
I am not sure I agree with Cosell that the pure drop back passer, ala Brady, Eli, Peyton, Brees, will have a future in today's game. There is a reason why Mac dropped to #15 and went last of all the QBs ahead of him. It is precisely because he cannot extend plays/improv like the other QBs. So there has been a sea shift change in what GMs want and that is because the offenses have changed so much over the past 5-8 years IMO
I've only had you off ignore for a few hours and I already wasted a ton of time rehashing old bullshit posts. The joke's on me I guess, but ignore is back on you
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Also, he has yet to prove he can carry a team but it's only year 2 so he has time.
He was definitely not my first choice heading into last year‘s draft which was hardly an aberration. Given all the young quarterbacks that were coming out a lot of fans liked other guys like Fields and Lance and even Wilson. But if you keep searching you will also see posts where I say how much I liked Mac after we drafted him and the way he was handling himself and also performing.
He has also worked on his body which was another issue I had so that is a plus heading into this season. I’m still not sure how much stronger his arm will be though and that was one of my biggest concerns with him. Does he have the arm to compete in the NFL. We know he is accurate but his arm strength is not very good and we saw that a lot last year. Hopefully it looks better this year with the added muscle he has put on.