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Grado isn't pretty but he gets the job done and guys seem to play for him. I think that's overlooked in QBs in favor of "prettiness" (mechanics et al) sometimes.
 
TommyD420 said:
How do you figure? Gradkowski has been a winner in the NFL. Jason Campbell hasn't been.

Seems like the Raiders have a legit chance at 6-10, 7-9 now, whereas before they were staring 3-13 in the face with Jason Campbell.
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:confused:

Where do you get this?

His only season as a starter was when he went 2-9 with TB in 2006. From there, he has had starter-type minutes in 9 other games going 3-6 (including his game this past weekend). He's never had a season over 54.7% completion percentage, has a career 5.5 ypa and throws as many picks as he does TDs. That is a terrible QB.

Feel free to check for yourself.
 
Oswlek said:
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Where do you get this?

His only season as a starter was when he went 2-9 with TB in 2006. From there, he has had starter-type minutes in 9 other games going 3-6 (including his game this past weekend). He's never had a season over 54.7% completion percentage, has a career 5.5 ypa and throws as many picks as he does TDs. That is a terrible QB.

Feel free to check for yourself.
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Jason Campbell had SUBSTANTIALLY more talent in Washington, (Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss, Randle-El, Chris Samuels on the O-Line), had a below-average QB rating of 81.6, below average YPA of 6.6, a meh completion % of 61.6%, one of the best offensive lines in the league, good offensive coaching, a solid mentor in Marc Brunell, and except for 2006, a pretty good to good defense (PA: 6th in 2007, 11th in 2008, 18th in 2009).

His record as a starter in Washington was 20-32. He was a 1st round pick and sat and watched for 2 1/2 seasons before getting into a game in a starting capacity

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm

In his rookie year, Bruce Gradkowski went 3-8 as a starter with the Buccaneers. His best offensive player was Joey Galloway who, at 35 years old, put up 62/1057/7. Cadillac Williams ran for 798 yds and 1 TD (3.5 ypc) before getting injured.

There were 0 Pro Bowlers on offense, and 2 on defense, which was 21st in PA, who were "reputation" picks, Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber.

His only other opportunity as a starter was 2009 with a brutally bad Oakland team. He was 2-2. The best player on offense was Zach Miller (TE) who put up 66/805/3. No RB ran for more than 589 yds or 3 TD (Michael Bush). The defense was 23rd in PA.

The team had 0 pro bowlers on offense, and 2 for the team. 1 was Shane Lechler. The other was Nnamdi Asomugha.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GradBr00.htm

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Point is, Jason Campbell has failed on much better teams. Gradkowski has had better success on much, much shittier teams.

One more stat which is pretty meaningful for a QB, especially on a bad team:

4th Quarter Comebacks:

Bruce Gradkowski (27 games, 16 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GradBr00

Jason Campbell (54 games, 52 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CampJa00


That's "where I get this :confused: "
 
TommyD420 said:
Jason Campbell had SUBSTANTIALLY more talent in Washington, (Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss, Randle-El, Chris Samuels on the O-Line), had a below-average QB rating of 81.6, below average YPA of 6.6, a meh completion % of 61.6%, one of the best offensive lines in the league, good offensive coaching, a solid mentor in Marc Brunell, and except for 2006, a pretty good to good defense (PA: 6th in 2007, 11th in 2008, 18th in 2009).

His record as a starter in Washington was 20-32. He was a 1st round pick and sat and watched for 2 1/2 seasons before getting into a game in a starting capacity

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm

In his rookie year, Bruce Gradkowski went 3-8 as a starter with the Buccaneers. His best offensive player was Joey Galloway who, at 35 years old, put up 62/1057/7. Cadillac Williams ran for 798 yds and 1 TD (3.5 ypc) before getting injured.

There were 0 Pro Bowlers on offense, and 2 on defense, which was 21st in PA, who were "reputation" picks, Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber.

His only other opportunity as a starter was 2009 with a brutally bad Oakland team. He was 2-2. The best player on offense was Zach Miller (TE) who put up 66/805/3. No RB ran for more than 589 yds or 3 TD (Michael Bush). The defense was 23rd in PA.

The team had 0 pro bowlers on offense, and 2 for the team. 1 was Shane Lechler. The other was Nnamdi Asomugha.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GradBr00.htm

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Point is, Jason Campbell has failed on much better teams. Gradkowski has had better success on much, much shittier teams.

One more stat which is pretty meaningful for a QB, especially on a bad team:

4th Quarter Comebacks:

Bruce Gradkowski (27 games, 16 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GradBr00

Jason Campbell (54 games, 52 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CampJa00


That's "where I get this :confused: "
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Ahhh.....

So he's in the upper tier of shitty quarterbacks? :shrug:
 
Oswlek said:
Ahhh.....

So he's in the upper tier of shitty quarterbacks? :shrug:
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Yes, I'm not calling him Joe Montana.

I'm saying with 2 shit QBs on your team, I would take the one that's not content with his team losing.
 
anderson said:
Jason Campbell had different offensive coordinators in every single season he played for the Skins.
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Jason Campbell is also a single-digit Wonderlic guy. And it's not "every single season". He spent 2 years on the bench.
 
TommyD420 said:
Jason Campbell had SUBSTANTIALLY more talent in Washington, (Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss, Randle-El, Chris Samuels on the O-Line), had a below-average QB rating of 81.6, below average YPA of 6.6, a meh completion % of 61.6%, one of the best offensive lines in the league, good offensive coaching, a solid mentor in Marc Brunell, and except for 2006, a pretty good to good defense (PA: 6th in 2007, 11th in 2008, 18th in 2009).

His record as a starter in Washington was 20-32. He was a 1st round pick and sat and watched for 2 1/2 seasons before getting into a game in a starting capacity

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm

In his rookie year, Bruce Gradkowski went 3-8 as a starter with the Buccaneers. His best offensive player was Joey Galloway who, at 35 years old, put up 62/1057/7. Cadillac Williams ran for 798 yds and 1 TD (3.5 ypc) before getting injured.

There were 0 Pro Bowlers on offense, and 2 on defense, which was 21st in PA, who were "reputation" picks, Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber.

His only other opportunity as a starter was 2009 with a brutally bad Oakland team. He was 2-2. The best player on offense was Zach Miller (TE) who put up 66/805/3. No RB ran for more than 589 yds or 3 TD (Michael Bush). The defense was 23rd in PA.

The team had 0 pro bowlers on offense, and 2 for the team. 1 was Shane Lechler. The other was Nnamdi Asomugha.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GradBr00.htm

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Point is, Jason Campbell has failed on much better teams. Gradkowski has had better success on much, much shittier teams.

One more stat which is pretty meaningful for a QB, especially on a bad team:

4th Quarter Comebacks:

Bruce Gradkowski (27 games, 16 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=GradBr00

Jason Campbell (54 games, 52 starts): 4
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=CampJa00


That's "where I get this :confused: "
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The guy is very scrappy. I dunno if he is better, but, he certainly tries harder (or, has a much higher adrenaline level).

I kind of agree with this.

I also want a high draft pick for the Pats, so, if he loses more games...I would love it.
 
Sucka Micok said:
The guy is very scrappy. I dunno if he is better, but, he certainly tries harder (or, has a much higher adrenaline level).

I kind of agree with this.

I also want a high draft pick for the Pats, so, if he loses more games...I would love it.
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Well, this is why I wouldn't cry if Gradkowski were to unfortunately have an injury situation and Jason Campbell, now disgruntled (maybe) that he was benched, comes back in and Ryan Leafs it.

I say "maybe" disgruntled because I honestly don't think he gives a shit if he plays or not. I think he cares slightly more than Jamarcus Russell.
 
TommyD420 said:
Well, this is why I wouldn't cry if Gradkowski were to unfortunately have an injury situation and Jason Campbell, now disgruntled (maybe) that he was benched, comes back in and Ryan Leafs it.

I say "maybe" disgruntled because I honestly don't think he gives a shit if he plays or not. I think he cares slightly more than Jamarcus Russell.
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:toast:
 
anderson said:
Am I the only one thinking the Raiders are making a HUGE mistake here? Not just from an organizational viewpoint, but also from a "chance-to-win-games" one.
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Not me. I was delighted that they brought in Campbell, who I think makes them only slightly better off than they were with JaMarcus. Gradkowski is no wonder boy, but he is a much more firey dude that stands a puncher's chance of getting that team riled up enough to get them maybe 5 wins.

I heard the Raiders were much improved, but after watching them in preseason they looked as hapless as ever and the regular season has so far borne that out. They are a raggedy-ass team and that pick looks to be top 5 at worst.

I believe there is a decent chance that it could be the overall one no matter who their QB is.
 
Hawg73 said:
Not me. I was delighted that they brought in Campbell, who I think makes them only slightly better off than they were with JaMarcus. Gradkowski is no wonder boy, but he is a much more firey dude that stands a puncher's chance of getting that team riled up enough to get them maybe 5 wins.

I heard the Raiders were much improved, but after watching them in preseason they looked as hapless as ever and the regular season has so far borne that out. They are a raggedy-ass team and that pick looks to be top 5 at worst.

I believe there is a decent chance that it could be the overall one no matter who their QB is.
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McFadden is playing a lot better so far. This much is true.
 
With all the Gradkowski talk, I thought this article about the worst guys to crack 300 yards passing in a game since 2006 over on footballoutsiders had a quality paragraph.

Bruce Gradkowski: Gradkowski threw for 308 yards and three touchdowns in a Raiders victory over the Steelers a few weeks before Frye's effort against the Browns. The Raiders passing DVOA for Gradkowski was 78.9%. Frye's was -57.3%.

Gradkowski is back in the news because of the Raiders quarterback controversy; he'll pop up a little later in Walkthrough. Gradkowski is the greatest awful quarterback ever. There's nothing NFL about him, but he's got the spunk-moxie-swagger thing down cold, and in 10 years he will still be jumping from bad team to bad team, earning a start or two based on how hard he practices and the snappiness of his salute on the parade grounds.

Come to think of it, he should really go to Buffalo next. He's just as unlikely to throw for 300 yards as any of the guys they have now.
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BTW, the 2006 timeframe is used because Buffalo hasn't had a QB crack 300 yards passing since Losman did it that year. That is also the inspiration for the last line in the quote.
 
Torry Holt speaks of Moss in exemplary terms.

Free-agent wide receiver Torry Holt was a guest this afternoon on the Jim Rome is Burning show on ESPN. The 11-year veteran was with the Patriots to begin training camp before being placed on injured reserve and reaching an injury settlement.

In the interview, Holt indicated that he is not necessarily done playing football. He also spoke highly of former Patriots teammate Randy Moss.

“He practices hard, he communicates with the quarterback. He challenges the receivers, the guys in his group every day. He knows that he’s the standard and he goes out there on the practice field and illustrates that,” Holt said. “It was really good to go in and have an opportunity to work with Randy for the limited time that I did. I really enjoyed it.

“I was able to learn something from him during my short stint there, and it was such a pleasure to see his focus and his intensity that he exudes every day on the football field. It was incredible.”
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http://espn.go.com/blog/bostonnew-e...id/4683941/wr-holt-liked-experience-with-moss
 
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