So This is kind of cool (2nd Circuit Appeal Transcript)

[verb linguini]

Who is?

I believe PFL and Mazz22 are

 

[bishbash]

I love how you all don't want to believe Tom isn't guilty

I know you are, but what am I?

 

[patfan64]

I believe PFL and Mazz22 are

So you believe. Do you have any concrete facts (like copies of posts?)

 

[chevss454]

I love how you all don't want to believe Tom isn't guilty

No intelligent person who has read the Wells Report and the related articles dealing with the science of the Ideal Gas Law believes Brady is guilty. Only biased people who haven't read the details of the case believe Goodell isn't on a witch hunt to find Brady guilty just to restore his punishment powers.

 

[mikiemo83]

Funny thing is you're all over all other teams boards doing the same exact thing.

Touche

I care not about other boards and their discussions - we are not affiliated with them in any way.

Who is?

oh all of us I guess :shrug_n:

I believe PFL and Mazz22 are

again, PatriotsPlanet DOES NOT care one bit about other boards and their post. so take it to those boards if you want to talk to those posters.

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So you believe. Do you have any concrete facts (like copies of posts?)

I rather not see them, The poster can head to that board and respond accordingly.

unless banned for being a troll, I could see that.

 

[PatsFanLisa]

I believe PFL and Mazz22 are

Yeah, so I don't post on other message boards, douchebag.

You've fvcked up this thread long enough. Take your idiotic shit and pencil dick somewhere else, you dense fvck. Coming to a Patriots message board to talk about cheating is probably your only shot at getting it up and jerking off.

Try pornhub.com next time. You're nothing but a little, little man who roots for a loser team because, let's face it, the only team that wins consistently is the Patriots.

So keep crying, a$$hole, because this quarterback and this team aren't going anywhere.

 

[O_P_T]

It was proven they didn't orchestrate the thing and that was properly overturned. The DC was the orchestrator and he sat out for over a yr.

The deflation scheme starts and ends with Tom. Every Ex NFL QB even Montana said the QB knows and Tom would......ignorance is no excuse. Tom is a bad liar.

So what are you going to refute that with?

Oh I don't know, how about there was no fargin scheme.

I already had a post showing that every independent scientific analysis has conclusded that the changes in psi are perfecly in line with what one would expect for the changes in temperature and humidity.

Here, I'll repeat it for you.

And he attends parties with all the owners. So?




Or it could just be the Ideal Gas Law as just about all "independent" scientific reporting has said.

For example:

Science News

Deflategate favored foul play over science

Scientist Michael Naughton (expert in condensed matters physics, Buffalo Bills fan) lent his expertise to the matter when the controversy initially blew up. Naughton’s lab at Boston College inflated a football to 13.5 psi at 72° F. Then they stuck it in a fridge and measured the pressure at 42° F (slightly cooler than the low on game night of 47.7° F, the average of measurements from two weather stations near Gillette Stadium). The pressure dropped to 10.5 psi.

HeadSmart labs, a Pittsburgh-based engineering firm that ordinarily conducts research related to helmets and concussions, also turned its attention to the matter. Experiments done by CEO Tom Healy (mechanical engineering Ph.D. student, Patriots fan) and others in the lab (not Patriots fans) simulated field conditions by placing 12 balls inflated to 12.5 psi in a cold room for 2.5 hours. Measurements revealed an average drop of 1.07 psi, well within the range of the halftime measurements. Saturating the balls with water to mimic field conditions bumped the measurements down another 0.75 psi, they conclude in a technical paper. (HeadSmart has launched a crowd-funding campaign to raise research funds to further investigate the matter.)

...

But instead of acknowledging that game day conditions could have accounted for the psi changes, an acknowledgement that wouldn’t preclude other evidence of foul play, the NFL’s Wells Report concludes that there’s an “absence of a credible scientific explanation for the Patriots halftime measurements.”

It would be one thing if the Wells Report (which consulted Daniel Marlow, experimental high energy physics expert at Princeton) just said that additional evidence (bathroom breaks and text messages, among other things) was more compelling than the pressure data. Or if it noted that the pressure data are ambiguous, collected so haphazardly that they wouldn’t be allowed in a high school science fair: Two different gauges that differed by approximately 0.4 psi were used in taking measurements, and it isn’t clear which one was used in the pre-game measurements because those data were not recorded. At halftime, 11 Patriots’ balls and four Colts’ balls were measured, and while all of the Patriots’ balls measured below 12.5 psi, three of the four Colts’ balls also did, according to one of the gauges.

Post-game psi measurements of four Patriots balls ranged from 12.95 to 13.65. These data, the Wells Report acknowledges (in a footnote), “did not provide a scientifically reasonable basis on which to conduct a comparative analysis.” If the report can acknowledge poor methodology for the post-game data, why not acknowledge that for the pre-game and halftime data as well?​

Or the NY Times

True Scandal of Deflategate Lies in the N.F.L.’s Behavior

John Leonard is a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who roots for the Philadelphia Eagles, listens to sports talk radio when he is exercising, and teaches a course called Measurement and Instrumentation. When the Deflategate story broke after last year’s A.F.C. championship game between the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts, he found himself fixated on it, yearning to dig into it from a scientific point of view.

...

Numbers in hand, Leonard went to work. He bought the same gauges the N.F.L. used to measure p.s.i. levels. He bought N.F.L.-quality footballs. He replicated the temperatures of the locker room, and the colder field. And so on. When he was done, he concluded that Exponent had made a series of basic errors. Leonard’s work showed the exact opposite of Exponent’s conclusions: The drop in the Patriots’ footballs’ p.s.i was consistent with the Ideal Gas Law; the smaller drop in pressure in the Colts’ balls was not. (Leonard surmises that because the Colts’ balls were tested after the Patriots’ balls, they had warmed up again.)

By early November, he had a PowerPoint presentation with more than 140 slides. By the end of the month, he had given two lectures about Deflategate, the second of which he had videotaped and posted on YouTube. A viewer who watched the lengthy lecture edited it down to a crisp 15 minutes; Leonard agreed to let him post the edited version.

The edited lecture went up on YouTube on Dec. 1 and has been viewed more than 17,000 times. It is utterly convincing. Leonard told me that if an M.I.T. undergraduate made the kinds of mistakes that Exponent made, “I would force them to repeat the experiment and correct the analysis.” Based on his study of the data, Leonard now says: “I am convinced that no deflation occurred and that the Patriots are innocent. It never happened.”

He is hardly the only scientist to take that position. As Dan Wetzel pointed out in a recent Yahoo Sports column, scientists at Carnegie Mellon, the University of Chicago, Boston College, Rockefeller University, the University of Illinois and Bowdoin College — and others — have all come to the same conclusion​

And this is the Yahoo article mentioned by the NYT.

However, once Ted Wells' report was published last spring, including an appendix showing Exponent's work, actual scientists started doing what actual scientists do: review the conclusions of a new study.

As time has allowed more serious analysis to come in, the results have been an overwhelming destruction of the conclusions of Wells, Exponent and the consulting work of Princeton professor Daniel Marlow.

It's been from all directions: the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (multiple studies), Carnegie Mellon University, the University of Chicago, Boston College, the University of Nebraska, the University of Illinois, the University of New Hampshire, Bowdoin College, Rockefeller University, where a Nobel Prize winner couldn't have lampooned it more viciously, and so on and so on.

Then there were unaffiliated retired scientists, climate experts, professional labs, even the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute, which crushed the science of Wells' report. A fourth-grader in Sacramento discredited it for her school science fair.

And these are just some of the ones that received media attention.

About the only counter argument is all these people must all be Patriots fans (they aren't). Even if they all were, they'd be opening themselves up to scientific ridicule for their conclusions from other scientists who aren't Patriots fans.

Only no one is ridiculing them. No one is criticizing these critics. It doesn't appear anyone is fighting back.

Maybe there is a professor or study out there that, with the currently available information, defends Exponent, Wells and the NFL, but there aren't any readily found on the Internet or in scientific journals. They certainly aren't making themselves easy to find.

If every smart scientist who studied this case (and isn't affiliated with the league) says nothing happened, then how long does everyone keep saying something did? ​

~snip~

So tell me, are you claiming that the change is pressure can only be explained by human tampering?

Don't wait for the translation, answer 'yes' or 'no'!

 

[mikiemo83]

Yeah, so I don't post on other message boards, douchebag.

You've fvcked up this thread long enough. Take your idiotic shit and pencil dick somewhere else, you dense fvck. Coming to a Patriots message board to talk about cheating is probably your only shot at getting it up and jerking off.

Try pornhub.com next time. You're nothing but a little, little man who roots for a loser team because, let's face it, the only team that wins consistently is the Patriots.

So keep crying, a$$hole, because this quarterback and this team aren't going anywhere.

ok this is a little over the top even for someone who is painting his screen over deflategate. No need to put down Pornhub, some members here really enjoy that site, don't you guys?

 

[PatsFanLisa]

ok this is a little over the top even for someone who is painting his screen over deflategate. No need to put down Pornhub, some members here really enjoy that site, don't you guys?

We all do.

Point being, I started this thread because I was pretty pumped and proud of an assignment that I got, and he shit all over it.

So, fvck him and the sheep he's fvcking.

 

[bishbash]

No need to put down Pornhub, some members here really enjoy that site, don't you guys?

Who needs pornhub when you have the wrath of Lisa on full display!
(And Lisa's right, we already have a Defgate thread with 2000 pages where pasta boy could'a posted)

 

[O_P_T]

We all do.

Point being, I started this thread because I was pretty pumped and proud of an assignment that I got, and he shit all over it.

So, fvck him and the sheep he's fvcking.

Oh so now you're putting down sheep?

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Who needs pornhub when you have the wrath of Lisa on full display!

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[PatsFanLisa]

Oh so now you're putting down sheep?

Limp Linguini, is that you? Don't you know smoking a sheep fvcking is bad for your health?

Also, I like my "pasta" al dente. Not soft.

 

[O_P_T]

Limp Linguini, is that you? Don't you know smoking a sheep fvcking is bad for your health?

Also, I like my "pasta" al dente. Not soft.

New avatar?

 

[bishbash]

New avatar?

 

[TipRoast]

 

[bideau]

Yeah, so I don't post on other message boards, douchebag.

You've fvcked up this thread long enough. Take your idiotic shit and pencil dick somewhere else, you dense fvck. Coming to a Patriots message board to talk about cheating is probably your only shot at getting it up and jerking off.

Try pornhub.com next time. You're nothing but a little, little man who roots for a loser team because, let's face it, the only team that wins consistently is the Patriots.

So keep crying, a$$hole, because this quarterback and this team aren't going anywhere.

 

[O.Z.O.]

Funny thing is you're all over all other teams boards doing the same exact thing.

Touche

yeah, exactly...except not.

Seriously...who let this fvcking asshole in here and why is it still around?

Once again, you guys are WAY too lax with this shit.

 

[mikiemo83]

Who needs pornhub when you have the wrath of Lisa on full display!
(And Lisa's right, we already have a Defgate thread with 2000 pages where pasta boy could'a posted)

it is serious business when a troll prefers the gimp over the violation of a PFL rant

 

[MaineMimi]

Maybe this is "The Sherif" in sheep's clothing making an appearance after being banned?

But then again, I don't think so because he wouldn't piss off PFL like that....

 

[bishbash]

Maybe this is "The Sherif" in sheep's clothing making an appearance after being banned?

But then again, I don't think so because he wouldn't piss off PFL like that....

True, he was pretty sweet on her!