Oh by the way - Deflategate2?

[mooseontheloose]

The Steelers did absolutely nothing wrong here (nor did the Patriots). The balls were legal when the game started the cold weather dropped the PSI. Punishing the Steelers would be the old "two wrongs do not make a right", but it's unfortunate the league is unwilling to admit they made a mistake with the Patriots and offer some sort of restitution. Never gonna happen, but it should.

They don't have to, from their view of things.

Like I said before, Brady wasn't suspended for deflating footballs.

 

[EasyBigFella]

They don't have to, from their view of things.

Like I said before, Brady wasn't suspended for deflating footballs.

Officially he was suspended because the "league" felt he "more probable than not" knew the balls were deflated below the minimum. They can spin it any way they like, but they were going to get him for something bcs they clearly wanted to rig this season to keep the Pats down to help Goodell's buddy owners such as Irsay and Bisciotti.

 

[mooseontheloose]

Officially he was suspended because the "league" felt he "more probable than not" knew the balls were deflated below the minimum. They can spin it any way they like, but they were going to get him for something bcs they clearly wanted to rig this season to keep the Pats down to help Goodell's buddy owners such as Irsay and Bisciotti.

IIRC, the original suspension announcement (Vincent) mentioned both being 'generally aware' of the deflation scheme AND failing to cooperate with the NFL. As we all remember, during the subsequent legal proceedings the NFL shifted away from the deflated footballs (because science ruined their case) and heavily emphasized Brady's failure to cooperate. By the end of the final appeal, the NFL was essentially arguing that Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate and that Goodell had power to suspend.

So in the league's eyes, the deflated footballs weren't even the issue by the end. They couldn't hang their hats on that because it was being torn to shreds by scientists, Brady's defense and even the NY appeals judge. So instead they latched onto what they could prove (failure to cooperate) and got what they wanted.

We all know that's a bunch of BS and the entire ordeal is embarrassing as **** for this league and sport. But at the end of the day the league can stand aside and deny any obligation to act because without a formal complaint and investigation, the two events aren't connected. Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate.

And knowing how dumb the average NFL fan is and how poorly most know the facts of Deflategate, I won't be shocked if the majority let the NFL off the hook.

 

[king of kings]

NFL was very quick to put a end to this story. As shown in the seahawks game ealier. This year when you clearly see them using deflated ball. The only reason this story didnt blow up was the pats were not involved.

 

[subroc]

I would like to see the Patriots report that their footballs are soft during a cold weather game. It would force the game officials to measure the footballs. The Patriots could force the league to tell them how the balls were below the 12.5 psi minimum.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

IIRC, the original suspension announcement (Vincent) mentioned both being 'generally aware' of the deflation scheme AND failing to cooperate with the NFL. As we all remember, during the subsequent legal proceedings the NFL shifted away from the deflated footballs (because science ruined their case) and heavily emphasized Brady's failure to cooperate. By the end of the final appeal, the NFL was essentially arguing that Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate and that Goodell had power to suspend.

So in the league's eyes, the deflated footballs weren't even the issue by the end. They couldn't hang their hats on that because it was being torn to shreds by scientists, Brady's defense and even the NY appeals judge. So instead they latched onto what they could prove (failure to cooperate) and got what they wanted.

We all know that's a bunch of BS and the entire ordeal is embarrassing as **** for this league and sport. But at the end of the day the league can stand aside and deny any obligation to act because without a formal complaint and investigation, the two events aren't connected. Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate.

And knowing how dumb the average NFL fan is and how poorly most know the facts of Deflategate, I won't be shocked if the majority let the NFL off the hook.

The problem with this train of thought is when Lord Fahvre was sending everyone in the Northern Hemisphere pics of his junk he refused cooperation, declined handing over his phone, and was fined $50K.

Big difference huh? And precedent.

 

[mikiemo83]

IIRC, the original suspension announcement (Vincent) mentioned both being 'generally aware' of the deflation scheme AND failing to cooperate with the NFL. As we all remember, during the subsequent legal proceedings the NFL shifted away from the deflated footballs (because science ruined their case) and heavily emphasized Brady's failure to cooperate. By the end of the final appeal, the NFL was essentially arguing that Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate and that Goodell had power to suspend.

So in the league's eyes, the deflated footballs weren't even the issue by the end. They couldn't hang their hats on that because it was being torn to shreds by scientists, Brady's defense and even the NY appeals judge. So instead they latched onto what they could prove (failure to cooperate) and got what they wanted.

We all know that's a bunch of BS and the entire ordeal is embarrassing as **** for this league and sport. But at the end of the day the league can stand aside and deny any obligation to act because without a formal complaint and investigation, the two events aren't connected. Brady was suspended for failing to cooperate.

And knowing how dumb the average NFL fan is and how poorly most know the facts of Deflategate, I won't be shocked if the majority let the NFL off the hook.

wait but the Wells report claimed Tommy fully cooperated with the league - I am so confused.

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The problem with this train of thought is when Lord Fahvre was sending everyone in the Northern Hemisphere pics of his junk he refused cooperation, declined handing over his phone, and was fined $50K.

Big difference huh? And precedent.

his were inflated for the picture, not deflated

 

[mooseontheloose]

The problem with this train of thought is when Lord Fahvre was sending everyone in the Northern Hemisphere pics of his junk he refused cooperation, declined handing over his phone, and was fined $50K.

Big difference huh? And precedent.

Oh I'm not at all defending the NFL's position. Just articulating why the NFL likely believes it doesn't HAVE to treat the two events as the same. NFL obviously knows about science now but can use Tom's failure to cooperate as a way to avoid embarrassing itself again by investigating the Steelers (and proven incompetent due to Ideal Gas).

 

[bideau]

Florio nails it again.

Giants raised PSI concerns during, not after, Steelers game

Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2016, 2:10 PM EST

The NFL initially addressed DeflateGate II with a perfunctory statement that seemed on the surface to dispute the notion that the Giants raised concerns about the air pressure in Steelers footballs when the two teams met in Pittsburgh on December 4. The NFL perhaps should have rested its case on the Giants filing “no formal complaint.”

On Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell said just enough about the situation to make it clear that: (1) the Giants definitely raised a concern with the league about air pressure in the Pittsburgh footballs; and (2) the NFL definitely did nothing about it.

Before Goodell responded to media questions on the issue at the press conference held in connection with the Dallas ownership meetings, it was believed based on the initial report from FOX that the Giants had expressed their concerns after the game. Obviously, there’s nothing the NFL can do to investigate PSI suspicions after a game, because there’s no way to know what the pressure in all Steelers footballs was after the game.

As it turns out, the Giants made their concerns known before the game ended.

“The Giants had asked us about it during the game,” Goodell told reporters. “We went back. We checked that. They were properly followed. All of the league protocols were being properly followed and there’s no further follow up on that. The teams didn’t follow up and we didn’t follow up any further because we were comfortable that the protocols were followed.”

In January 2015, the Colts had similar concerns about footballs used by the Patriots. At that point, the league office mobilized on the spot to check the air pressure in each of the New England footballs and, supposedly given the constraints of halftime, only some of the Indianapolis footballs. In the Giants-Steelers situation, the league did nothing to check the air pressure in the footballs, despite the Giants’ beliefs that the balls were underinflated.

So why not take possession of the footballs used by both teams and test them immediately after the game ended? The official position as explained by the Commissioner is that there was no need to do anything because the pre-game protocols were followed.

“What you do is you test the balls before the game, and the officials always maintain of those footballs from that point on,” Goodell said. “We went back and we checked with the officials to make sure they checked the proper inflation. They did that. The balls were retained in their control from that point on. So the protocols were followed all the way.

If that’s a sufficient explanation, why then does the NFL conduct halftime PSI spot checks? If the pre-game protocols are followed and if the chain of custody is undisturbed based on changes made by the league after DeflateGate I, there’s no reason to ever check football PSI after the start of a given game.

Of course, in this case, it’s now clear that the Giants tested the PSI levels of two Pittsburgh footballs. It’s clear because Goodell necessarily admitted that the Giants tested the PSI levels when explaining why the measurements taken by the Giants weren’t taken seriously.

“That’s why you don’t rely on somebody else testing them,” Goodell said. “They are using a different device. Somebody else is testing them. They have to be tested by the officials who use the same device to make sure there is accuracy in that.”

And that, friends, is called a smoking gun.

The gun is emitting white puffs because DeflateGate I proceeded even though two different gauges were used by the officials before the game — and those gauges varied by roughly 0.4 PSI. To make matters worse, the experts with a reputation for massaging science to meet the needs of their clients discarded the best recollection of referee Walt Anderson regarding the use of the varying gauges, arguably in order to make the evidence fit neatly inside the “someone deflated the footballs” box.

As I’ve said many times in the past, Ted Wells should have concluded based on the varying gauges and the rest of the proof that the evidence was inconclusive as to whether anyone tampered with the footballs. Goodell’s comments regarding the unreliability of the Giants’ PSI gauge supports that view, conclusively.

The league apparently is willing to assume the risk that Patriots fans and agitators will once again wave the “Free Brady” flag in the aftermath of DeflateGate II. After all, the rants of people like me and Ben Affleck are predictable and relatively easy to ignore.

Besides, circling the wagons and denigrating the doubters presents a much better alternative to gathering up the footballs used by both teams in the Giants-Steelers game after the final gun sounded, measuring the air pressure in every football, and realizing given the Ideal Gas Law that ALL OF THE FOOTBALLS would have been under 12.5 PSI — and possibly in the exact same range as the footballs used by the Patriots in the 2014 AFC championship game.

 

[mooseontheloose]

Maybe the Giants and the rest of the football world shouldn't have been so quiet while the NFL railroaded the GOAT

Rest of those clowns brought this on themselves.

 

[HSanders]

Or shouldn't have been so vocal in supporting Goodell.

 

[timithye]

I would like to see the Patriots report that their footballs are soft during a cold weather game. It would force the game officials to measure the footballs. The Patriots could force the league to tell them how the balls were below the 12.5 psi minimum.

Sunday afternoon would be a great time to try it.

 

[subroc]

Sunday afternoon would be a great time to try it.

Works for me!!

 

[bideau]

:facepalm:

NFL says Goodell misspoke regarding DeflateGate II

Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2016, 6:09 PM EST

On Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke about DeflateGate II. According to the NFL, he actually misspoke about DeflateGate II.

“The Giants had asked us about it during the game,” Goodell told reporters on Wednesday regarding the concerns raised about the inflation level in footballs used by the Steelers on December 4 in Pittsburgh.

“The Commissioner misspoke regarding the time the club notified the league,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told PFT via email. “He meant to say after the game.”

It’s an important distinction. If the Giants didn’t raise the concern until after the game, it would have been too late for the league to test the air pressure in the footballs, because the air pressure would have adjusted and the chain of custody would have broken. If the Giants raised the concern during the game, the NFL should have tested all of the footballs then and there, like the league did when the Colts raised the same concern about the Patriot during the 2014 AFC championship game.

Then again, if the complaint was indeed made after the game, there would have been no reason to ensure that “[a]ll of the league protocols were being properly followed” because there would have been no way to prove that anyone had tampered with the footballs if the protocols weren’t being followed. The league, unwilling to accept the PSI levels measured by the Giants due to the fact that it was a different device, would have been unable to proceed in any way without determining the air pressure in all of the footballs during the game.

Frankly, if the Giants were hoping to catch the Steelers, it made no sense to raise the concern after the game. Then again, if the Giants had any understanding of the Ideal Gas Law, it made no sense to raise the concern during the game either, because on a cold day in Pittsburgh the footballs necessarily would have experienced natural deflation.

That’s ultimately the point that the NFL doesn’t want to focus on. All of the footballs used in the Giants-Steelers game experienced a drop in air pressure. Testing the PSI levels would have confirmed that, and the numbers (if ever published) would have demonstrated that the PSI levels in the footballs used by the Patriots 23 months ago weren’t sufficiently out of whack to suggest foul play.

 

[mikiemo83]

Liar liar, Rogers pant on fire!!!!

 

[Beaglebay]

BB should try tripping a Donks' player on Sunday, just for fun.

 

[TommyD420]

BB should try tripping a Donks' player on Sunday, just for fun.

$100,000 fine. The precedent has been set.

 

[Darth Despot]

BB will just force choke someone

 

[Jaric]

I can't wait for Mike Tomlin's 25 minute press conference where he talks about balls. The shape of balls. The feel and texture of balls. How balls are handled and rubbed down.

 

[mikiemo83]

I can't wait for Mike Tomlin's 25 minute press conference where he talks about balls. The shape of balls. The feel and texture of balls. How balls are handled and rubbed down.

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