Pole: Manning receivers

How do Manning's receivers in Denver compare to what he had in Indy?

  • Indy's weapons were better and deeper

    Votes: 11 40.7%
  • Indy's weapons were better, but top heavy. Denver is deeper

    Votes: 7 25.9%
  • Denver's weapons are equal in quality and depth

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • Denver's weapons are better and deeper

    Votes: 4 14.8%
  • Manning only plays with zombies

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • Total voters
    27
You might not have said it, but Midgar has. :coffee:

I did not say manning was the entire reason they lost. No one player is the entire reason a team loses..I have said that 500 times on here. The problem with colts fans, is they are so used to making excuses for Manning's failures that when they start spouting off that he makes all the players around him better and that he is the coach on the field, and then you turn around and say, another played screwed up or the coached called the wrong play....so you have to be willing to say that other players actually make a difference in what manning does both good and bad.
 
Manning's ball placement this year has been the best it's ever been, and his receivers struggle with separation at times. That's why I'm supremely confident in getting this team in the cold in the playoffs with a revamped NE secondary. While not Pennington-esque, Manning's deep ball is shot and not what it once was. He has no one as good as Reggie Wayne (or as Marvin Harrison, at that).

I'm 100% confident in saying "OK, buddy. You have to go up and down the field throwing lasers in the cold weather and in a playoff game where historically you haven't been the best in order to match scores with the best offense of this decade."
 
It's deja vu all over again


Brady>Manning :coffee:

Seems like old times....

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Cheers, BostonTim
 
Manning's ball placement this year has been the best it's ever been, and his receivers struggle with separation at times. That's why I'm supremely confident in getting this team in the cold in the playoffs with a revamped NE secondary. While not Pennington-esque, Manning's deep ball is shot and not what it once was. He has no one as good as Reggie Wayne (or as Marvin Harrison, at that).

I'm 100% confident in saying "OK, buddy. You have to go up and down the field throwing lasers in the cold weather and in a playoff game where historically you haven't been the best in order to match scores with the best offense of this decade."


bad thing is, the thing we need is wind...I hope its a blizzard when we play denver. I want to see those wobble balls of manning go through that.
 
Mike Klis of the Denver Post answers the question about the receivers and more.

Defense: 2005 Colts.The Colts' 2005 defense was the best in the Manning years, ranking second in points allowed. Outside linebacker Cato June had 102 tackles and five interceptions, two of which he returned for touchdowns. Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney combined for 22½ sacks and 14 forced fumbles. This season the Broncos ranked No. 2 in total defense, No. 4 in scoring defense and tied for No. 1 in sacks with 52. Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil combined for 29½ sacks and 12 forced fumbles. They also play the run much better than Freeney and Mathis. Denver's cornerbacks opposite Bailey — Chris Harris and Tony Carter — have combined for four touchdown returns off turnovers. Advantage: 2012 Broncos.

Quarterback: Peyton Manning, 2004 Colts. Manning was never better. He had a career-high 121.1 passer rating and threw 49 touchdown passes. This season, he threw 37 touchdown passes and had a 105.8 passer rating with the Broncos. Few quarterbacks ever dominated a season as Manning did in 2004. But like John Elway in the final three years of his career, Manning may not have the arm he once he had ... but he's a better quarterback. Advantage: Draw.
Receivers: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, 2004 Colts. Harrison, Wayne and Stokley each had 1,000 yards receiving. Harrison had 86 catches and 15 touchdowns. Wayne had 77 catches and 12 touchdowns. Stokley had 68 catches and 10 touchdowns. Denver's Thomas-Decker duo is bigger and appears to have Super Bowl-winning potential. Still, we're talking Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. "Those are two Hall of Famers," Bailey said. "You can't argue with that one. It's tough. D.T. and Decker are just now coming into their own and playing great. But you can't knock Marvin and Reggie." Advantage: 2004 Colts.
Running backs: Joseph Addai, Dominic Rhodes, 2006 Colts. Is it a coincidence the Colts won it all the year after they shifted from James' one-back attack to a two-back system? Addai and Rhodes combined for 1,726 yards rushing, 576 yards receiving (2,302 combined yards) and 14 touchdowns. This season the Broncos' tailback position produced a combined 1,586 yards rushing and 450 yards receiving (2,036 total yards) from Willis McGahee, Knowshon Moreno and Ronnie Hillman. Advantage: 2006 Colts.
Offensive line: 2004-06 Colts. The Colts used three left guards in this period — the best was Ryan Lilja in 2005. Left tackle Tarik Glenn retired after the 2006 season at age 30. This season, the Broncos used two right guards. The better is Chris Kuper, who made only five starts because of injuries. Manning was sacked 13, 17 and 14 times during this three-year period. He was sacked 21 times this season with the Broncos. Advantage: Draw.
Tight end: Dallas Clark, Gijon Robinson, Tony Santi, Jacob Tamme, 2009 Colts. Clark caught 100 passes. Robinson, Santi and a young Tamme combined for 20 more. A more experienced Tamme had 52 catches for the Broncos this season. Starting tight end Joel Dreessen added 41. Seldom-used Virgil Green is the best blocker of both groups. Advantage: 2009 Colts.
Punter: Hunter Smith, 2002 Colts. Smith finished ninth in the NFL with a net average of 38.1 yards, the only time he finished in the top 10. Colquitt finished third in the league this season with a net average of 42.1 yards. Advantage: Colquitt, Broncos.
Kicker: Mike Vanderjagt, 2003 Colts. Vanderjagt was 37-of-37 on field goals in 2003. But he badly missed a 46-yard field goal in the final seconds of the Colts' 21-18 loss to Pittsburgh in a 2005 playoff game. And he was pitiful at kickoffs. Prater went through a midseason slump and ended up making 18-of-26 kicks. Prater ranked No. 2 in touchback percentage this season. Advantage: Prater on leg strength and clutch kicks.
Returner: Dominic Rhodes, 2004 Colts. The Colts were never a threat on kickoff and punt returns. Rhodes ranked ninth in kickoff returns with a 24.8-yard average but had no touchdowns. The Broncos have Trindon Holliday, who has kickoff and punt returns for touchdowns this season. Advantage: Holliday, Broncos.
Conclusion. The Broncos have a better defense and better special teams than most of Manning's best teams with the Colts. Manning had slightly better offense with the Colts from 2004-06.
Overall, Manning's best team was the 2005 Colts — yet it didn't win a playoff game.
"I felt like that team could have gone 16-0," Stokley said. "But we kind of pulled the reins back and then we flopped in the playoffs. That was the biggest disappointment."
That's another factor these Broncos have on those 2005 Colts: Denver needed to win the final 11 games to have a shot at the No. 2 playoff seed in the AFC. The top seed was an unexpected bonus.
"That's what I like," Stokley said. "Because of that experience (in 2005), it's always haunted me. You want to keep going. Keep moving around. Keep getting better. When you pull back, it's hard to get going again."



Read more: How today's Broncos compare with Manning's best Colts teams - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/c...mpare-mannings-best-colts-teams#ixzz2HChA3cCQ
 
How many of them are going to the Hall of Fame without a ticket?

Because Harrison, Wayne and James most likely are. Jacob Tamme...wow... :coffee:

(Also, how is Decker accurate, exactly?)

You think Edge gets into the Hall?

Not arguing cause I loves me some edge just not sure I'd consider him a HOF rb
 
You think Edge gets into the Hall?

Not arguing cause I loves me some edge just not sure I'd consider him a HOF rb

12,246 yds rushing, 80 rush TD, 15,610 combined yds, 91 total TD

Similar careers to: Tiki Barber, Thurman Thomas*, Marshall Faulk*, LaDainian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith*, Eric Dickerson*, Roger Craig, Barry Sanders*, Ricky Watters, Lydell Mitchell

There's a lot of hall of famers in that group, and to me, he's as good as any of them :shrug:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameEd00.htm
 
12,246 yds rushing, 80 rush TD, 15,610 combined yds, 91 total TD

Similar careers to: Tiki Barber, Thurman Thomas*, Marshall Faulk*, LaDainian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith*, Eric Dickerson*, Roger Craig, Barry Sanders*, Ricky Watters, Lydell Mitchell

There's a lot of hall of famers in that group, and to me, he's as good as any of them :shrug:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameEd00.htm

His biggest knock is that he played with Manning for most of his career. Having a HoF QB to open lanes in the running game is an obvious knock, especially when you consider that his YPC and scoring production were pretty bad after he left Indy.
 
His biggest knock is that he played with Manning for most of his career. Having a HoF QB to open lanes in the running game is an obvious knock, especially when you consider that his YPC and scoring production were pretty bad after he left Indy.

He was also injured/done. He wasn't the same guy after the 2nd injury.

That said, you could say Marshall Faulk or Thurman Thomas or Emmitt Smith weren't shit without a HoF QB. The last two weren't shit after they left Buffalo/Dallas. :shrug:

Also, 12K yds is 12K yds. I don't care who you played with.
 
12,246 yds rushing, 80 rush TD, 15,610 combined yds, 91 total TD

Similar careers to: Tiki Barber, Thurman Thomas*, Marshall Faulk*, LaDainian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith*, Eric Dickerson*, Roger Craig, Barry Sanders*, Ricky Watters, Lydell Mitchell

There's a lot of hall of famers in that group, and to me, he's as good as any of them :shrug:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameEd00.htm

I'd give him the Edge over most of them (just not Dickerson or Sanders).
 
He was also injured/done. He wasn't the same guy after the 2nd injury.

That said, you could say Marshall Faulk or Thurman Thomas or Emmitt Smith weren't shit without a HoF QB. The last two weren't shit after they left Buffalo/Dallas. :shrug:

Also, 12K yds is 12K yds. I don't care who you played with.

Ya, I wasn't saying he doesn't belong. I was more playing devil's advocate because those are the same arguments I've heard come up when his candidacy is discussed.
 
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