Still Waiting for that PSI Data?

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PatsFanLisa said:
That's not gonna happen, gummy bear. We have a right to be angry, and when the feds take down your guy, at least there will be actual evidence and a truly independent investigation.

Tom Brady and the fans of his team got shafted. Sideways.

And Goodell just keeps ramming it in.
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I hear the Anti World Doping Association is pretty darn pissed right now. If the NFL screws this up there could be other investigations:coffee:

~Dee~
 
PatsFanLisa said:
That's not gonna happen, gummy bear. We have a right to be angry, and when the feds take down your guy, at least there will be actual evidence and a truly independent investigation.

Tom Brady and the fans of his team got shafted. Sideways.

And Goodell just keeps ramming it in.
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"gummy Bear"?

lol

Ok, understood, Sweet Cheeks- Get it all out, you don't want to bottle it up.
 
patriots pam said:
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. :coffee: As unsurprising as this "revelation" is, actually hearing him spout this latest round of doublespeak, weasel word CYA bullshit infuriated me more than I thought it would, even though it was fully expected. I really keyed in on the statement that there were no violations "this year." Two little words that let everyone know what their stance will be from now on: There were no violations this year (because we said so). There were violations last year by the Patriots (because we said so). Also, integrity! :4321: Dicks.
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I took the "no violations" a different way.

IIRC they made measurements in that bitter cold Minnesota game, and it is a scientific certainty the balls were below 12.5 psi.

So if in that game there were "no violations", what does that mean?

It can't mean the balls remain between 12.5 and 13.5, because they couldn't have been in that game.

So it must mean that the league had some process for calculating the expected psi drop.

So what is that process?

There's been enough out there showing what it should be:

Record psi
Record temps
Record time the balls have ben in each environment

So I look at that statement as an acknowledgement that they did the process properly.

Which simply proves that if they believe this is what is necessary to determine if there were violations or not, it also proves that the absence of them makes it impossible to determine if there were violations or not.

Unless of course Rodger was simply lying out of his ass.
 
O_P_T said:
I took the "no violations" a different way.

IIRC they made measurements in that bitter cold Minnesota game, and it is a scientific certainty the balls were below 12.5 psi.

So if in that game there were "no violations", what does that mean?

It can't mean the balls remain between 12.5 and 13.5, because they couldn't have been in that game.

So it must mean that the league had some process for calculating the expected psi drop.

So what is that process?

There's been enough out there showing what it should be:

Record psi
Record temps
Record time the balls have ben in each environment

So I look at that statement as an acknowledgement that they did the process properly.

Which simply proves that if they believe this is what is necessary to determine if there were violations or not, it also proves that the absence of them makes it impossible to determine if there were violations or not.

Unless of course Rodger was simply lying out of his ass.
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OMG

Look at Roger Goodell has done to you? Nobody cares!


#Youriduculous
 
If they had data that showed the variation in the PSI was unlike what the pats was, they would be blasting those numbers on every sports page. But nope, you see nothing.
 
HSanders said:
Wetzel, worth the click.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-s-...black-eye-in-deflate-gate-saga-025852568.html

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pft is on it as well
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ce-to-fully-understand-football-air-pressure/
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Wetzel understands.
The NFL, in a follow-up inquiry from Yahoo Sports, stated a week later, "we simply haven't focused yet on how the information will be distributed."
Apparently it was distributed into an incinerator.
Confused? Try being Roger Goodell, who has seen deflate-gate become an albatross. The NFL hasn't looked good in this since the release of Wells' report in May 2015. It was then the public was able to comb over the findings away from the frenzy of false media reports.
What emerged were endless inconsistencies, absurd reaches in logic, failures of scientific methods and proof of an over-the-top misinformation campaign. And then there are the clown-show rationalizations like this one.
Day by day, drip-by-drip, the case has fallen apart, be it in federal court, a lecture hall at MIT or in the commonsense-rooted laughter that greeted Goodell's acknowledgement on Tuesday.
What remains is this most likely scenario: that NFL officials, completely unaware of Ideal Gas Law, believed that any New England football that measured below the minimum of 12.5 psi in the AFC title game was proof of orchestrated tampering. Anything in the 11s was proof of a massive conspiracy. In fact it was all a natural act.
Ignorant of science and overwhelmed by confirmation bias, the NFL embarked on an effort to nail the Patriots. Then, via leaks to favored reporters who were as prejudicial as they were false, the league found itself too far out on the limb to climb back as facts came in and theories fell apart.
All it could do is point to random text exchanges and nicknames, and hope the public was too naïve to question it, too scientifically ignorant to comprehend it or too bored to still care.
Well, there were also those howls about destroyed evidence, because we know destroyed evidence is something that Roger Goodell's NFL must absolutely take a stand against. The NFL just can't tolerate that type of behavior.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-s-...black-eye-in-deflate-gate-saga-025852568.html
 
Goodell needs to chow down on a bag o dicks.

Calling him a weasel is an insult to weasels.

Where is the outrage at the "Destroyed" evidence?

Integrity?

Roger and the 32 (Kraft included) keep digging the hole deeper and faster and wondering why they can't get out.

BTW testicle boy, there is not one Patriots fan in all of New England who gives even 1/2 a shit about what the rest of the fans think. We got ****ed for nothing and will continue to point it out, if you find it boring there is no one forcing you to stick around.
 
Darth Despot said:
BTW testicle boy, there is not one Patriots fan in all of New England who gives even 1/2 a shit about what the rest of the fans think. We got ****ed for nothing and will continue to point it out, if you find it boring there is no one forcing you to stick around.
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one hung low knows enough to understand it is a BS charge against the Patriots, actually most fans understand it is nothing but a hack-job by the NFL to get the Patriots.

The issue is asswipes want to act like this has legs just to be pricks.
 
So, after reading what Goodell told Rich Eisen, the results of months of testing around the country are, "Everything's fine, nothing to see here."




There isn't a company in the U.S that would keep this asswipe as their CEO after this embarassment. :coffee:
 
When Goodell holds his "State of the NFL" later this week, will any reporters have the courage to grill him on this?

Yes, it's a rhetorical question....
 
They only way anything was going to be released is if it incriminated Brady. They didn't find what they wanted so it has been swept under the rug. Ya know, Integrity.....

I am not at all surprised by this. The NFL will continue to get ZERO of my dollars.
 
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/02/03/why-tuesdays-news-from-roger-goodell-was-a-huge-story/

BOSTON (CBS) — Any reasonable human being would have to agree that in the grand scheme of life — or, heck, even in the narrow prism through which we view sports — “DeflateGate” was not a particularly important matter.

Yet, given the nine months of exhaustive coverage of the soap opera both from the sports and the traditional news media, and given the significant punishments levied on the Patriots, and given the federal court case between the NFL and Tom Brady that’s still ongoing, we would all have to say that “DeflateGate” was a pretty huge deal.

If we accept that as fact, then yesterday’s news from Roger Goodell has to be considered a bombshell.

Goodell announced that not only will the NFL not be releasing any recorded PSI data from this past season, but that recorded PSI data doesn’t even exist. Or at least, it was never meant to exist, because the NFL was not conducting an experiment; the league was just testing footballs haphazardly to keep its referees and game officials busy during their normal break.

Despite the NFL laying out a procedure that forced referees to report recorded PSI levels from halftime and after randomly selected games, Goodell denied that such a practice was meant to be an experiment to see if all of those scientists and physicists were actually right. Instead, Goodell claimed that the procedures were put in place merely as a deterrent to prevent any teams from tampering with footballs.

Yet is there any one sad soul on the planet who believes that if the recorded data showed that the air pressure inside footballs never dropped in different atmospheric conditions, that the NFL would not release the data?

Please.

Roger Goodell has staked his entire reputation on this foolish case, and it’s one he’s still fighting in a federal appeals court. Releasing recorded data that shows footballs do in fact lose air pressure in different temperatures would prove him to have been wrong all along. After investing millions upon millions of dollars, and after dedicating more than a year of his life to the matter, Goodell obviously is too proud to wave any sort of white flag.

Worse, it would prove that he paid Exponent as well as Princeton University’s Dr. Daniel Marlow to twist science. It sure is interesting how fundamental principles of science can be bent when there is a fat paycheck involved. (To be fair, the people at Exponent technically concluded that it could not reasonably deduce that the footballs were definitely tampered with. But they did intentionally deceive readers with a photograph in their report, which was also flawed in other ways, and they did determine that there was no set of atmospheric conditions that could have explained the balls’ loss in pressure.)

Yet while Tuesday’s news was significant, it was not surprising to anyone who’s been paying attention. Anyone who read the transcript from Tom Brady’s appeal hearing knew that in the midst of the NFL’s honchos descending onto the Gillette Stadium field and officials’ locker room with pressure gauges in hand, the geniuses never once accounted for basic science.


More at link.
 
HSanders said:
Wetzel, worth the click.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-s-...black-eye-in-deflate-gate-saga-025852568.html

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pft is on it as well
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ce-to-fully-understand-football-air-pressure/
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"At the end of any randomly selected game, the KBC will return the footballs to the Officials' Locker Room where all game balls from each team will be inspected and the results will be recorded."

That's quite a lot of procedure for a simple "spot check."

Most notably, however, is this:

"All game ball information will be recorded on the Referee's Report, which must be submitted to the League office by noon on the day following the game," the operations update reads.

So all the data was recorded on an official referee's report, which was sent to New York in a timely fashion where the pertinent information – or presumably entire referee report actually – just … vanished?

August 2015: we specifically demand this data.

February 2016: no, no, we never wanted the data, why would we?
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I cannot wait for Jeffrey Kessler to roll this up, stud it with painful and damaging legal spikes, and violate Goodell's pasty ass with it in the court case that the NFL hilariously insists on pursuing.

Oh, the data was not really collected? The NFL has violated its own policy.

Wait, you DID collect the data, but destroyed it? Pot, meet Tom Brady's phone.

#boner
 
I assume that no new evidence is allowed to be entered.

this is based on all the so called experts telling me so originally but confirmed yesterday with the Goodell nut lapping by Dan Patrick and NO REAL FOLLOW UP
 
Guys...Ive been around awhile, and i've seen and done just about everything. I was the president of a labor union for 13 years so I know how this works...

Roger Goodell is here to stay, obviously- and you know how I know? Because after all the mistakes he's made, he didn't get fired, because......?

He knows where all the bodies are buried, he's got so much crap on the owners that they'd have to give him 500 million to sign a confidentiality clause and go away, maybe a billion...

So lets review:

1) Goodell ain't goin nowhere- The draft picks are gone forever
2) You can't clear Bradys name

So whats the point guys?

MOVE ON
 
PatsFanLisa said:
Don't. There were never any studies conducted during the year, just random gauge sticks to see if the balls were inflated to the correct psi.

Rich Eisen asked Goodell about it today.

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The NFL NEVER were going to conduct tests because they knew what the results would be and they would be disgraced.

And would have to give back draft picks.

Now they're free and clear of embarassment and retraction.
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Doesn't it seem like the media could ask some question that could really put the guy on the spot?
 
Wait, there's more

No one is surprised by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell lying about the league's findings during the random halftime inspections throughout the season. With the league still mired in the court systems (there will be another meeting in March!), any sort of admittance that the football pressure data could vindicate New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is completely out of the question.
Goodell and the NFL have leaked false information for the past year to try and paint Brady and the Patriots in a negative light, and they're hoping that general fatigue of the story will ultimately prevail (it will). Goodell is finally attaching his name to the misinformation, so at least that's a step forward.


"We're pleased that we haven't had any violations," Goodell said in a statement via the NFL Network's Rich Eisen. "And we continue the work, obviously, to consistently and importantly enforce the integrity of the game and the rules that are designed to protect it."
Sure, Rog.
The integrity of the game is important and that's why all of these false statements have done more to perpetuate distrust in the league than anything the Patriots have done or not done. There's a reason why there was a universal scoff when Pro Football Talk noted that there would be an update summary from the league before the Super Bowl. No one trusts the league anymore.
There's no point in rehashing all of the evidence that supports the Patriots because it's not going to help (see? that's the general fatigue). On one side you have every single reputable scientist in the world trying to explain that the Patriots didn't do anything wrong.
On the other you have Goodell and paid corporate "scientists" that are hired to prove whatever their employer desires, whether it's tobacco companies trying to disprove the connection of smoking and cancer, oil companies trying to justify dumping oil waste in the rain forest, or the NFL trying to disprove the laws of physics.
But let's present some facts.
1) The NFL measured the PSI of the footballs at halftime of the Vikings-Seahawks Wild Card game, where temperatures were in the negatives.


2) It's literally impossible for footballs to remain within the 12.5-13.5 PSI range under those conditions, with the expectation that the footballs would reach the near-single digits of pressure.
So either the league is admitting that temperatures can affect the football pressures, and that the Vikings and Seahawks footballs were within the expected range below the allowed the limit, or the league is saying that the laws of physics don't apply.
The league's decision to swap out the Vikings and Seahawks footballs at halftime due to concerns "about footballs going under 12 PSI" points to the former.
And if the league is admitting that the ideal gas law is a thing, then that tacitly clears the Patriots of any wrongdoing.
But if that's not enough, here's a list of the 43 games from the 2015 that definitely should have raised red flags with regards to ball pressure (kick off temperatures via Pro Football Reference):
Over 90 degrees at kick off

Steelers at Chargers on October 12th, 2015, 93 degrees.
Below 45 degrees at kick off in October

Cardinals at Steelers, 45 degrees.
Bengals at Bills, 40 degrees.
Giants at Eagles, 44 degrees.
Below 45 degrees at kick off in November

Packers at Vikings, 30 degrees.
Broncos at Bears, 29 degrees.
Bills at Patriots, 29 degrees.
Bears at Packers, 39 degrees.
Dolphins at Jets, 45 degrees.
Rams at Bengals, 41 degrees.
Steelers at Seahawks, 38 degrees.
Bills at Chiefs, 35 degrees.
Patriots at Broncos, 23 degrees.
Ravens at Browns, 45 degrees.
Below 45 degrees at kick off in December

Bengals at Browns, 45 degrees.
Seahawks at Vikings, 37 degrees.
Colts at Steelers, 37 degrees.
Cowboys at Washington, 41 degrees.
Raiders at Broncos, 45 degrees.
Bills at Washington, 43 degrees.
Panthers at Giants, 41 degrees.
Broncos at Steelers, 41 degrees.
Chiefs at Ravens, 41 degrees.
Titans at Patriots, 40 degrees.
Cardinals at Eagles, 37 degrees.
Bears at Vikings, 36 degrees.
Cowboys at Bills, 39 degrees.
Rams at Seahawks, 37 degrees.
Browns at Chiefs, 36 degrees.
Giants at Vikings, 13 degrees.
Bengals at Broncos, 16 degrees.
Below 45 degrees at kick off in January

Eagles at Giants, 45 degrees.
Raiders at Chiefs, 37 degrees.
Jets at Bills, 35 degrees.
Ravens at Bengals, 35 degrees.
Steelers at Browns, 34 degrees.
Lions at Bears, 31 degrees.
Vikings at Packers, 24 degrees.
Seahawks at Vikings, -6 degrees.
Chiefs at Patriots, 38 degrees.
Seahawks at Panthers, 43 degrees.
Steelers at Broncos, 43 degrees.
Cardinals at Panthers, 39 degrees.
And, yes, that's a definite red flag because the temperatures noted are 1) taken prior to the game, so some other games likely dropped into red flag territory; 2) with regards to maximum difference, so the temperatures below 45 degrees are measured against a football at 13.5 PSI, while the temperature above 90 degrees is measured against a football at 12.5 PSI. A 12.5 PSI football would be below the limit if it were just 60 degrees outside.
So if the NFL is claiming that there were no violations after every one of the above games should have raised the same red flag as the Patriots' footballs in the AFC Championship Game, then they are now believers in the ideal gas law.
The Patriots have been railroaded at every step of the process and the widespread distrust in the league is much deserved. Everyone knows it and the fatigue will soon be too much overcome as we all sit down on the couch to watch another Super Bowl.
Make sure you wipe the integrity of the game off your shoes before you come inside.
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