We're on to Tampa Bay: Game Thread - Buccaneers @ Patriots - Sun. Oct 3rd 8:20 PM (NBC)

I NEVER bet FOR or AGAINST my team... so, no
I'm with you half-way. At one point in my life long ago, I was a betting man. And I did bet on my teams, but never against them. My head tells me I should bet on TB because unless our o-line improves dramatically, I don't think we have even a puncher's chance. But, I just can't do it. I have a long-time friend who will place such bets against his teams and claims if his teams lose, at least he gets a consolation $ prize. Of course, once in awhile his team loses and the other team he bets on doesn't cover. Double whammy...
 
Is Trent Brown expected to play this week?
 
In regards to White, my first thought was pretty much career ending a la Roosevelt Colvin. Good news he may be back this year.

Dislocation, yeah.
Subluxation, 4-6 weeks. Longer if he tests it too soon.
 
This made me chuckle.
It would def be a miracle!

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This. This. This.

The offensive line is the end-all-be-all IMO, and is the quickest fix to getting this team winning again. This team is 2-1, potentially 3-0 if the OL played the way we expected them to (despite their other issues beyond the OL).

The OL has not only been a disappointment relative to expectations, they've been objectively bad.

I thought Thuney was replaceable and that Big Mike would thrive at LG; so far that hasn't been the case. I wonder if they think about moving Onwenu back to RT, Brown kicks to LT when healthy, and Wynn tries his hand at LG. Every bone in my body tells me that Wynn belongs at T and Onwenu at G, but the results aren't there right now.

Also, they're down Popovich from last season. There's no way to know (without being inside that building) if his absence is part of the reason for the OL's struggles, but it's a possibility. I halfway wonder if Scar potentially rejoins the team in some capacity (for just this season) in order to make up for the loss of Popovich. Just speculating, no idea if that's even in play.

Reasons for concern about the OL:
  • They've played poorly this regular season
  • They're down a coach from last season
  • Thuney isn't there anymore

Reason to be optimistic about the OL:
  • This is the biggest and most reassuring point: The same players, in the same positions, played significantly better during the preseason. Significantly. They looked how they were supposed to; pass-protection was airtight, stunts/blitzes were properly picked-up and the blocks were executed; they were moving guys upfront in the run game, effectively running traps/pitches and looked comfortable moving in space. Night-and-day.
  • Brown has effectively missed the entire regular season and will soon be healthy
  • The Patriots, especially, almost always get better as the season progresses



O-line coach Carmen Bricillo said today in his presser there wasn't a single issue or scheme problem against the Saints.

It's scary if they're doing what he wants them do and Mac still got bazooka-ed 11 times.
 
A glimmer of hope?

Passing Yards Allowed Through 3 Weeks:
1 - Carolina 438
2 - New England 479
3 - Denver 487
4 - Buffalo 534
5 - Cleveland 545
. .
28 - Minnesota 871
29 - Jacksonville 907
30 - Washington 921
31 - Baltimore 944
32 - Tampa Bay 1015
 
also, i saw guys on sunday multiple times standing around looking for who to block. "not what we're looking for"

GIF by The Simpsons
Shit, I saw the RT (not sure which turnstile) fall down stepping back in pass protect TWICE - untouched.
 
A glimmer of hope?

Passing Yards Allowed Through 3 Weeks:
1 - Carolina 438
2 - New England 479
3 - Denver 487
4 - Buffalo 534
5 - Cleveland 545
. .
28 - Minnesota 871
29 - Jacksonville 907
30 - Washington 921
31 - Baltimore 944
32 - Tampa Bay 1015
Yup, but too many when the Pats NEEDED a stop...

Still, a glimmer. I wouldn't mind a couple of fractured ribs in the first series for the opposing teams QB (whoever that is). Something that QB could come back form later in the year....
 
O-line coach Carmen Bricillo said today in his presser there wasn't a single issue or scheme problem against the Saints.

It's scary if they're doing what he wants them do and Mac still got bazooka-ed 11 times.
I hope Bill fired him immediately after the press conference. 🤦‍♂️
 
A glimmer of hope?

Passing Yards Allowed Through 3 Weeks:
1 - Carolina 438
2 - New England 479
3 - Denver 487
4 - Buffalo 534
5 - Cleveland 545
. .
28 - Minnesota 871
29 - Jacksonville 907
30 - Washington 921
31 - Baltimore 944
32 - Tampa Bay 1015
Their Pass D is horrible. This is the part where Brady is wrong in a sense that he just needs an offensive All Star team to win. It's not really true. Spending money on certain parts of the roster, evenly, is really the key and I think their putrid secondary which overachieved late last year and benefits from their front 7 anyway.

Denver did this on D in 2015, and their franchise has been anemic ever since that short window approach with All Stars on D to help Gomer. It can work, but it won't work for an extended period of time, and that's a good example of a "top heavy" roster.

I am looking for max protect. Remember when BB would bring in that extra Tackle? Stuff like that. At some point, receivers are going to be wide open vs that secondary. Chip and max protect, and then run some counters and traps mixed in so you keep honest. Also, some off tackle stuff for runs with that extra Tackle. I think it was that Jonas Gray game in 2014 vs Indy where they did a lot of that. TBs Run D is better than that crap Indy Run D then, but conceptually, max protect seems like a good approach here on 1sts and 2nds . It helps you run better and gives Mac more time.

Wait for 3rd and longs to empty the backfield.
 
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Italian O Line coaches do NOT fill me with confidence with the Patriots….
Racialist!
Italian O Line coaches do NOT fill me with confidence with the Patriots….
Classic case of communication in print where we maybe miss his emphasis on "any ONE". Meaning, as you say, there are too many to count. What I don't get is how can a veteran OL with talent, one of the best in the conference if not the NFL, be this subpar? I know there is a rookie QB, but Cam was horrendous last year and that was during a pandemic with no camp at all and Newton being horrendous with all kinds of time and less weaponry than this. This is ridiculous. Last thing I expected.
 
Nah, it's about the middle part of your roster. If your depth stinks, this is what happens. Outside of maybe 2008, 2009 or 2011, maybe 2013, BB has rarely had a huge drop off in talent from the starters and didn't have someone coached up, it's a big factor over a full season.

Arians is a moron. The more he yaps, the more dumb he sounds.

TB has what is called a top heavy roster. All these constant "restructures" will send them off into cap hell after this year. KC is in trouble as you see now as well and that was easy to see. Hubris.

How many 1 year dynasties have we seen over the past decade not named NE?

NOs, GB, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, Philly, and now possibly KC and TB. Those teams paid players for the past, not projecting properly into the future, not to mention David and Suh are OLD.
 
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O-line coach Carmen Bricillo said today in his presser there wasn't a single issue or scheme problem against the Saints.

It's scary if they're doing what he wants them do and Mac still got bazooka-ed 11 times.
Really? He should have been fired on the spot then.
 
Did you watch the game Sunday? There are a fuck ton of reasons the Pats won't be able to compete with them... I want us to win but they won't.
 
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