The Deflategate stupid argument thread

[BostonTim]

Shaping public opinion is an easy enough job if you feed into the frustrated emotions of NFL fans who cannot understand why their own teams don't win 12 games a year, etc., etc.

"culture of pushing boundaries". Frigging beautiful way to put it. We were convicted of one (pointless, useless) thing and every time I hear somebody say something like that I am amazed at how nobody, but nobody can come up with a single, legitimate piece of evidence that we've done a damn thing, yet it is certainly a widespread belief.

The accusations filled a need. I went to the Salem Witch Museum this summer and heard a lecture on how innocent people were hung for a crime that seems tragically absurd in this day and age. The guide listed 3 conditions that had to exist for such a thing to occur and all I could think of was that it was a perfect parallel to Deflategate. It all fit. Our crops didn't grow/our team didn't win. Brady is a Witch....burn him.

You seem like an intelligent person and claim to have read the Wells Report twice. I have done the same (and more) and my belief is that if more people commenting on the subject actually DID read it then there would be far fewer people who would want to align themselves with that laughably inept piece of shit no matter how nicely it fits their need to explain away all the winning using "science".

If you'd ever like to learn more, then please don't hesitate to ask and I'll try to enlighten you, but, please......don't talk to anyone about squishy footballs. It is beneath you.

This is neat little paragraph that will get you off to a nice start:

This isn’t an organization as much as it is an elite professional football academy that spits out tough, smart, tunnel-visioned gym rats who march in lockstep behind their obsessive Hall of Fame coach and his driven Hall of Fame CEO quarterback.

I'm sorry your crops didn't grow. Now, wake the fvck up.

Hawgie! +1

Cheers

 

[mikiemo83]

This isn't a witch hunt, no matter how much you all want it to be one. Despite the flaws in the scientific data, unavoidable under the circumstances, and despite a single piece of evidence as damning as a "smoking gun", you're all glossing over the sum of the corroborating evidence. Unless you actual believe that someone uses the term deflating to mean weight loss, there is a mountain of implications in the text messages and Brady's refusal to turn over his phone. I'm not saying he's 100% guilty, but I'm very suspicious because the data, flawed as it may be, is supported by all of the other pieces, that while they also don't stand alone, create a bad image when placed together.

It's also amazing that you hold this high burden of proof only to Brady and the Patriots, but some crackpot tells a crackpot news agency that Manning used HGH and he's convicted in your minds immediately.

I also didn't come here to talk, squishy footballs, one of your own brought it up.

I call BS, you came here to talk about Footballs and the PSI, and any other gate you can think up.

the only BS needing policing is your claims to not come here looking to stir the pot.

 

[Claremonster]

Again, I didn't come here to talk Deflategate, but no, it was not "proved" in the legal sense. There is a possibility that the discrepancy in air pressures may be explained by the delay in measuring the Colts balls, although I hope you recognize that is just a hypothesis, and is also not conclusively true.

The procedure was improvised due to the league not anticipating the need to check this sort of thing and there are too many variables to state absolutely and unequivocally that the balls were tampered with.

I do feel there is enough evidence to convict Brady and his 2 moron lackeys in the court of public opinion, especially given the culture of pushing boundaries in the Belichick Patriots, though I have the feeling that Bill may truly have been in the dark about this one.

The whole ****ing Wells Report was a ****ing hypothesis - and a shitty one, at that.

 

[bideau]

This isn't a witch hunt, no matter how much you all want it to be one. Despite the flaws in the scientific data, unavoidable under the circumstances, and despite a single piece of evidence as damning as a "smoking gun", you're all glossing over the sum of the corroborating evidence. Unless you actual believe that someone uses the term deflating to mean weight loss, there is a mountain of implications in the text messages and Brady's refusal to turn over his phone. I'm not saying he's 100% guilty, but I'm very suspicious because the data, flawed as it may be, is supported by all of the other pieces, that while they also don't stand alone, create a bad image when placed together.

It's also amazing that you hold this high burden of proof only to Brady and the Patriots, but some crackpot tells a crackpot news agency that Manning used HGH and he's convicted in your minds immediately.

I also didn't come here to talk, squishy footballs, one of your own brought it up.

We're not going to rehash the whole framegate fiasco. You've chosen to believe a grossly faulted report and ESPN sound bites. If you want to discuss the game, then discuss it. If you want to try to defend your opinion about framegate, then we'll be happy to escort you to the town line and ask you not to return. Every Pats fan is tired of the discussion.

Your choice...... :shrug:

 

[Undertaker #59*]

I am creating this thread if its needed for when opposing fans come in here and hijack an unrelated thread with deflategate talk, and others engage. We can move those posts to this thread and you can choose to engage or not.

 

[BostonTim]

I am creating this thread if its needed for when opposing fans come in here and hijack an unrelated thread with deflategate talk, and others engage. We can move those posts to this thread and you can choose to engage or not.

"If it's needed"...??? ROFL

Cheers

 

[TheBSPolice]

I call BS, you came here to talk about Footballs and the PSI, and any other gate you can think up.

the only BS needing policing is your claims to not come here looking to stir the pot.

We're not going to rehash the whole framegate fiasco. You've chosen to believe a grossly faulted report and ESPN sound bites. If you want to discuss the game, then discuss it. If you want to try to defend your opinion about framegate, then we'll be happy to escort you to the town line and ask you not to return. Every Pats fan is tired of the discussion.

Your choice...... :shrug:

My first post: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319857&postcount=44

The first post in this thread mentioning PSI? This one, from Patriots71: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319882&postcount=50

The posts in which I maintained that my complaint was your collective hypocrisy regarding officiating excuses and that I didn't and don't feel a need to talk about Deflategate: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319921&postcount=58
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319959&postcount=62
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2320012&postcount=68
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2320045&postcount=72

For people who are "tired of the discussion" you oddly bring it up a lot and then won't leave it be when I tried 4 times to go back to the initial topic.

Here is attempt number 5: I came here because of the ridiculous hypocrisy of preemptively accusing Broncos fans of whining about officiating in a game that hasn't even been played yet after the ridiculous volume of excuses (a small portion of which I quoted in my first post) that were offered up here following the game in November. That's it.

 

[patsload]

My first post: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319857&postcount=44

The first post in this thread mentioning PSI? This one, from Patriots71: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319882&postcount=50

The posts in which I maintained that my complaint was your collective hypocrisy regarding officiating excuses and that I didn't and don't feel a need to talk about Deflategate: http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319921&postcount=58
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2319959&postcount=62
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2320012&postcount=68
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2320045&postcount=72

For people who are "tired of the discussion" you oddly bring it up a lot and then won't leave it be when I tried 4 times to go back to the initial topic.

Here is attempt number 5: I came here because of the ridiculous hypocrisy of preemptively accusing Broncos fans of whining about officiating in a game that hasn't even been played yet after the ridiculous volume of excuses (a small portion of which I quoted in my first post) that were offered up here following the game in November. That's it.

I can link you to game day threads on a Broncos forum where they complain about the refs IN EVERY ONE, that's where I get my opinion from.

 

[Troy_Brown]

I'm sorry, BS, but you have no legs to stand on.

I'm a member/lurker of a couple of Patriots message boards, and each time a game is played there may be some yapping about a bad call here or there, but from MY experience at these forums, and I'm sure I frequent them a hell of a lot more than you do, each time a questionable call happens and it turns out to be the correct one most people change their opinion and agree on the call. I say most, because obviously a couple people might be steadfast in their opinion of a bad call, but most are actually not BIASED and can examine the play after during the replays and admit that.. yeah.. might not have actually been a bad call.

In saying that, theres no way someone who is an unbiased witness to that game in Denver earlier this year could logically say that the calls that were made were correct. Theres no way to say that, in all my many many years of watching the NFL I have never been so put off by the game of football then I was after watching that debacle in Denver earlier this year. It honestly made me question why I watch this sport, that's how bad the calls were. There was no justification in most of the calls, they were terrible calls that strategically all went against the Pats at the end of the game.

You want to sit there and claim that anyone bringing that up or speaking logically about that is just being a whiner? Well, that's just stupid. It's one thing to complain about any call against your team, that's whining. But when it's a justifiable response to one game where the calls were OBVIOUSLY wrong, that's not whining, that's discussion.

 

[chevss454]

Here is attempt number 5: I came here because of the ridiculous hypocrisy of preemptively accusing Broncos fans of whining about officiating in a game that hasn't even been played yet after the ridiculous volume of excuses (a small portion of which I quoted in my first post) that were offered up here following the game in November. That's it.

I'm not accusing Broncos fans of whining about the officiating but I do find it odd that Broncos players are calling out Brady for begging the officials to throw a flag and for calling out Gronk for pushing off "90% of the time" in an obvious attempt to play the officials "in a game that hasn't even been played".

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There's also this.

I know you think you know everything there is to know about deflategate and that we know nothing because we can't see the truth since we're homer fans. But know this. We lived every moment of deflategate. We read and analyzed everything that was said and written from its inception. The court of public opinion was swayed from the very beginning by Mort's now famous "11 of 12 balls" tweet. From then on fans of the other 31 read headlines and listened to opinions of media members who also only read headlines without doing any research into the veracity of what actually happened and what motivated certain people to allow the lies to linger for months about the actual PSI values, about the independent investigation wasn't independent at all, that Exponent will "prove" whatever it is that a client needs to be "proven", that Goodell prohibited the Patriots from publishing the true PSI values and on and on.

To make things easier for you I have collected a few articles for you to read that were published by independent business and sports companies. You may find out that you, like millions of other people, were manipulated by the great NFL propoganda machine & don't really know as much as you think. I'm not attempting to change how you think about Brady or the Pats...that's not important to me. But it may change how you think about Goodell and the other 31 owners who insisted that Goodell pursue this against Brady as aggressively as possible out of paranoia & jealousy. Don't believe it? Read on.

1. 1 year anniversary article from Dan Wetzel, editor of Yahoo sports. Excellent stuff here for national consumption. I posted a small part of his article.

A year after deflate-gate ballooned, science shows shame of it all

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/1-year...073316233.html

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. No one has disagreed with Leonard's findings.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."
What Goodell undoubtedly understands is that for regular people, science is confusing. And since special interests have politicized it on certain subjects, a lot of Americans are quick to reject it or doubt it, no matter how absurd doing so is. In this case, the problem with science is it required time, study and patience. Deflate-gate was about winning the news cycle.
A year ago there were rants about how Belichick should be suspended for the Super Bowl and Brady barred from the Hall of Fame. An ESPN analyst actually choked up on the air, it was all just too much. Meanwhile, Brady was asked about the impact on innocent children.
A year later?
The only ones shouting seem to be the scientists. </td> </tr> </tbody></table>



2. From Forbes Magazine

One Year Later, Deflategate Represents The Power Of The NFL's Propaganda Machine

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> one year later, the NFL’s lies still largely trump the truth in every region of the country except New England.
Though NFL attorneys have written a plethora of legal briefs and arguments over the past 12 months, the league still hasn’t proven the Patriots illegally tampered with their footballs during last year’s AFC Championship. Judge Richard Berman nullified Brady’s four-game suspension in early September, citing a lack of precedent for the punishment and an unfair arbitration process. The NFL quickly announced it would appeal Judge Berman’s ruling, and opening arguments for that case, which is solely about the scope of commissioner Roger Goodell’s disciplinary authority, won’t begin until March.
This season, in an apparent effort to learn more about the science of ball deflation, the NFL announced it would test PSI on a random basis. But the league hasn’t released any of this information yet and reportedly is still considering whether to make any of it public. Six days before this year’s AFC Championship, most sports fans are still relying on misinformation and disputed scientific evidence to frame their opinions on Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback of all-time. </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreim...e72fe11b3662be


3. 1 yr anniversary article from M. McCann.
Deflategate, one year later: The anatomy of a failed controversy
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/18/def...bill-belichick


4. http://stevensonlynch.com/13104-2/

 

[TheBSPolice]

What kind of ridiculous, mental gymnastic, doublethink does it require to simultaneously take pride in 4 Super Bowl trophies while denouncing the NFL for being an unwatchable product with fixed games?

 

[Hawg73]

This isn't a witch hunt, no matter how much you all want it to be one. Despite the flaws in the scientific data, unavoidable under the circumstances, and despite a single piece of evidence as damning as a "smoking gun", you're all glossing over the sum of the corroborating evidence. Unless you actual believe that someone uses the term deflating to mean weight loss, there is a mountain of implications in the text messages and Brady's refusal to turn over his phone. I'm not saying he's 100% guilty, but I'm very suspicious because the data, flawed as it may be, is supported by all of the other pieces, that while they also don't stand alone, create a bad image when placed together.

It's also amazing that you hold this high burden of proof only to Brady and the Patriots, but some crackpot tells a crackpot news agency that Manning used HGH and he's convicted in your minds immediately.

I also didn't come here to talk, squishy footballs, one of your own brought it up.

Look-- I politely offered to smarten you up by answering any question you may have and you choose to lecture me based on wafer-thin suspicions. I've heard it before and I'm disappointed that you chose to follow the path of ignorance.

To top it off, I personally haven't drawn a single conclusion based on the Manning/HGH thing. I don't know how credible the source is and await MMQB's upcoming piece on the topic to see if it sounds like more of a real thing. But..... don't let that stop you from lumping me in with other folks you've read about, Mr. HighGround.

I don't hate Peyton a bit. I completely respect the guy. I simply expect that if there is credible evidence that he did take HGH and therefore break the rules then he is investigated by the league and that, if true, he is punished according to the new Brady precedent. Or exonerated completely. I don't care either way as long as they get it right and don't shovel manure down anybody's throats the way they did with the WR and expect that everybody will buy it like sheep.

I'd like to think they've finally learned from their own mistakes and will handle the matter fairly and honestly, but the Park Avenue Klown Kollege doesn't seem to have a whole lot more sense than, apparently, you.

Your serve.

 

[PatsFanLisa]

How can you have lived with this stuff for a year and not know it?

D'Qwell Jackson (a player) intercepted a ball and gave it to his equipment staff. They measured it and reported it to various team and league officials. The league officials weren't there to test the balls at all, they were there for the AFCCG. They had dismissed the Colts' charges against the Patriots from the day before as nothing to take serious and it wasn't until they were told the Colts actually had a NE ball that was light that they reacted by testing the balls at halftime. They improvised a procedure because it was entirely unprecedented.

It's humorous in the extreme that you're telling me to get my facts straight when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

You are the one that clearly doesn't have a clue about the actual facts.

The League was notified in advance by Grigson that the balls might be softer. Jackson later came out and said that the ball was taken away from him, that an equipment sideline actually stuck a gauge into the football...TWICE...not only illegally because the rules clearly state that NOBODY other than an official can touch the football and also letting air out TWICE by virtue of sticking the needle in. Let's just get that one little fact straight.

You misunderstand. The Patriot balls weren't a half pound lower than the Colts balls at halftime.

The Patriot balls were 11.11 or 11.49 depending on the gauge. Starting at 12.5, as you indicated, that means they dropped by either 1.5 pounds or 1 pound approximately.

The Colts balls were 12.27 or 12.67 depending on the gauge. Starting at 13, as you indicated, that means the Colts dropped by either .7 or .3 pounds approximately.

Explain why the difference between starting PSI and halftime PSI was so much greater for the Patriot balls, which were presumably in the same temperature as the Colts balls.

POUNDS. POUNDS. Do you even understand that if a football weighed 11 or 12 pounds you couldn't throw it???? Clearly, science isn't your strong suit.

I haven't gotten beyond this post to read the rest of your dribble because you're clearly a moron. You have taken the Wells report and Exponent's results as gospel when every notable scientist in this country, over 300 experiments from the likes of MIT and Stanford professors, have proven the science and condemned Exponent's faulty experiment, a company, by the way, that also did "experiments" claiming second-hand smoke didn't cause cancer, amongst many other claims that they have been highly paid to tout.

So you can continue to bury your head in the sand. I'll just deem you as being yet another fvcking moron.

Does that work for you?

 

[chevss454]

You are the one that clearly doesn't have a clue about the actual facts.

The League was notified in advance by Grigson that the balls might be softer. Jackson later came out and said that the ball was taken away from him, that an equipment sideline actually stuck a gauge into the football...TWICE...not only illegally because the rules clearly state that NOBODY other than an official can touch the football and also letting air out TWICE by virtue of sticking the needle in. Let's just get that one little fact straight.



POUNDS. POUNDS. Do you even understand that if a football weighed 11 or 12 pounds you couldn't throw it???? Clearly, science isn't your strong suit.

I haven't gotten beyond this post to read the rest of your dribble because you're clearly a moron. You have taken the Wells report and Exponent's results as gospel when every notable scientist in this country, over 300 experiments from the likes of MIT and Stanford professors, have proven the science and condemned Exponent's faulty experiment, a company, by the way, that also did "experiments" claiming second-hand smoke didn't cause cancer, amongst many other claims that they have been highly paid to tout.

So you can continue to bury your head in the sand. I'll just deem you as being yet another fvcking moron.

Does that work for you?

Works for me.

 

[O.Z.O.]

How can you have lived with this stuff for a year and not know it?

D'Qwell Jackson (a player) intercepted a ball and gave it to his equipment staff. They measured it and reported it to various team and league officials. The league officials weren't there to test the balls at all, they were there for the AFCCG. They had dismissed the Colts' charges against the Patriots from the day before as nothing to take serious and it wasn't until they were told the Colts actually had a NE ball that was light that they reacted by testing the balls at halftime. They improvised a procedure because it was entirely unprecedented.

It's humorous in the extreme that you're telling me to get my facts straight when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Here's the first place they went wrong...

also, fvck you all to hell on general principle

 

[Dwight Schrute]

I did read every page of the Wells report, something I'm beginning to suspect makes me an anomaly around here...

One of the more baffling aspects of this whole league created clusterfvck is reading posters like yourself, who I will say comes off as very intelligent, just swallows the hook no questions asked wrt the leagues Wells Report. And it is the leagues report. Zero independence.

Let me corellate a scenario:

Let's say you buy a new Ford. After a month there's a technical issue that leads to legal action. A result summary is agreed upon. Ford selects an attorney to lead up an "independent" investigation. Hello. Oh, and said attorney has earned $20 mil over the last decade. From Ford. Hello. Oh, and a VP from Ford is going to review all notes, transcripts, and data and edit what is written in the final report. Hello. And you are just going to swallow the report. No questions asked.

Right?

Go read the Wells Report again.

In the same light.

Enjoy.

#sheep

 

[chevss454]

BSPolice, do you have no response to this previous post by me that calls out the NFL's attempt to crucify Brady and the Pats based on false evidence and intentional lies?

<table id="post2320089" class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td class="alt1" id="td_post_2320089" style="border-right: 1px solid #CCCCCC">I know you think you know everything there is to know about deflategate and that we know nothing because we can't see the truth since we're homer fans. But know this. We lived every moment of deflategate. We read and analyzed everything that was said and written from its inception. The court of public opinion was swayed from the very beginning by Mort's now famous "11 of 12 balls" tweet. From then on fans of the other 31 read headlines and listened to opinions of media members who also only read headlines without doing any research into the veracity of what actually happened and what motivated certain people to allow the lies to linger for months about the actual PSI values, about the independent investigation wasn't independent at all, that Exponent will "prove" whatever it is that a client needs to be "proven", that Goodell prohibited the Patriots from publishing the true PSI values and on and on.

To make things easier for you I have collected a few articles for you to read that were published by independent business and sports companies. You may find out that you, like millions of other people, were manipulated by the great NFL propoganda machine & don't really know as much as you think. I'm not attempting to change how you think about Brady or the Pats...that's not important to me. But it may change how you think about Goodell and the other 31 owners who insisted that Goodell pursue this against Brady as aggressively as possible out of paranoia & jealousy. Don't believe it? Read on.

1. 1 year anniversary article from Dan Wetzel, editor of Yahoo sports. Excellent stuff here for national consumption. I posted a small part of his article.

A year after deflate-gate ballooned, science shows shame of it all

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/1-year...073316233.html

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. No one has disagreed with Leonard's findings.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."
What Goodell undoubtedly understands is that for regular people, science is confusing. And since special interests have politicized it on certain subjects, a lot of Americans are quick to reject it or doubt it, no matter how absurd doing so is. In this case, the problem with science is it required time, study and patience. Deflate-gate was about winning the news cycle.
A year ago there were rants about how Belichick should be suspended for the Super Bowl and Brady barred from the Hall of Fame. An ESPN analyst actually choked up on the air, it was all just too much. Meanwhile, Brady was asked about the impact on innocent children.
A year later?
The only ones shouting seem to be the scientists. </td></tr></tbody></table>



2. From Forbes Magazine

One Year Later, Deflategate Represents The Power Of The NFL's Propaganda Machine

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> one year later, the NFL’s lies still largely trump the truth in every region of the country except New England.
Though NFL attorneys have written a plethora of legal briefs and arguments over the past 12 months, the league still hasn’t proven the Patriots illegally tampered with their footballs during last year’s AFC Championship. Judge Richard Berman nullified Brady’s four-game suspension in early September, citing a lack of precedent for the punishment and an unfair arbitration process. The NFL quickly announced it would appeal Judge Berman’s ruling, and opening arguments for that case, which is solely about the scope of commissioner Roger Goodell’s disciplinary authority, won’t begin until March.
This season, in an apparent effort to learn more about the science of ball deflation, the NFL announced it would test PSI on a random basis. But the league hasn’t released any of this information yet and reportedly is still considering whether to make any of it public. Six days before this year’s AFC Championship, most sports fans are still relying on misinformation and disputed scientific evidence to frame their opinions on Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback of all-time. </td></tr></tbody></table>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreim...e72fe11b3662be


3. 1 yr anniversary article from M. McCann.
Deflategate, one year later: The anatomy of a failed controversy
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/18/def...bill-belichick


4. http://stevensonlynch.com/13104-2/
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[PatsFanLisa]

BSPolice, do you have no response to this previous post by me that calls out the NFL's attempt to crucify Brady and the Pats based on false evidence and intentional lies?

<table id="post2320089" class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td class="alt1" id="td_post_2320089" style="border-right: 1px solid #CCCCCC">I know you think you know everything there is to know about deflategate and that we know nothing because we can't see the truth since we're homer fans. But know this. We lived every moment of deflategate. We read and analyzed everything that was said and written from its inception. The court of public opinion was swayed from the very beginning by Mort's now famous "11 of 12 balls" tweet. From then on fans of the other 31 read headlines and listened to opinions of media members who also only read headlines without doing any research into the veracity of what actually happened and what motivated certain people to allow the lies to linger for months about the actual PSI values, about the independent investigation wasn't independent at all, that Exponent will "prove" whatever it is that a client needs to be "proven", that Goodell prohibited the Patriots from publishing the true PSI values and on and on.

To make things easier for you I have collected a few articles for you to read that were published by independent business and sports companies. You may find out that you, like millions of other people, were manipulated by the great NFL propoganda machine & don't really know as much as you think. I'm not attempting to change how you think about Brady or the Pats...that's not important to me. But it may change how you think about Goodell and the other 31 owners who insisted that Goodell pursue this against Brady as aggressively as possible out of paranoia & jealousy. Don't believe it? Read on.

1. 1 year anniversary article from Dan Wetzel, editor of Yahoo sports. Excellent stuff here for national consumption. I posted a small part of his article.

A year after deflate-gate ballooned, science shows shame of it all

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/1-year...073316233.html

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. No one has disagreed with Leonard's findings.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."
What Goodell undoubtedly understands is that for regular people, science is confusing. And since special interests have politicized it on certain subjects, a lot of Americans are quick to reject it or doubt it, no matter how absurd doing so is. In this case, the problem with science is it required time, study and patience. Deflate-gate was about winning the news cycle.
A year ago there were rants about how Belichick should be suspended for the Super Bowl and Brady barred from the Hall of Fame. An ESPN analyst actually choked up on the air, it was all just too much. Meanwhile, Brady was asked about the impact on innocent children.
A year later?
The only ones shouting seem to be the scientists. </td></tr></tbody></table>



2. From Forbes Magazine

One Year Later, Deflategate Represents The Power Of The NFL's Propaganda Machine

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Though NFL attorneys have written a plethora of legal briefs and arguments over the past 12 months, the league still hasn’t proven the Patriots illegally tampered with their footballs during last year’s AFC Championship. Judge Richard Berman nullified Brady’s four-game suspension in early September, citing a lack of precedent for the punishment and an unfair arbitration process. The NFL quickly announced it would appeal Judge Berman’s ruling, and opening arguments for that case, which is solely about the scope of commissioner Roger Goodell’s disciplinary authority, won’t begin until March.
This season, in an apparent effort to learn more about the science of ball deflation, the NFL announced it would test PSI on a random basis. But the league hasn’t released any of this information yet and reportedly is still considering whether to make any of it public. Six days before this year’s AFC Championship, most sports fans are still relying on misinformation and disputed scientific evidence to frame their opinions on Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback of all-time. </td></tr></tbody></table>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreim...e72fe11b3662be


3. 1 yr anniversary article from M. McCann.
Deflategate, one year later: The anatomy of a failed controversy
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/18/def...bill-belichick


4. http://stevensonlynch.com/13104-2/
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This is propaganda. He only reads the "independent" report of Wells and Exponent. Those are the honest-to-god truth.

Trust him. He knows.

And pigs fly.

 

[O.Z.O.]

BSPolice, do you have no response to this previous post by me that calls out the NFL's attempt to crucify Brady and the Pats based on false evidence and intentional lies?

<table id="post2320089" class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td class="alt1" id="td_post_2320089" style="border-right: 1px solid #CCCCCC">I know you think you know everything there is to know about deflategate and that we know nothing because we can't see the truth since we're homer fans. But know this. We lived every moment of deflategate. We read and analyzed everything that was said and written from its inception. The court of public opinion was swayed from the very beginning by Mort's now famous "11 of 12 balls" tweet. From then on fans of the other 31 read headlines and listened to opinions of media members who also only read headlines without doing any research into the veracity of what actually happened and what motivated certain people to allow the lies to linger for months about the actual PSI values, about the independent investigation wasn't independent at all, that Exponent will "prove" whatever it is that a client needs to be "proven", that Goodell prohibited the Patriots from publishing the true PSI values and on and on.

To make things easier for you I have collected a few articles for you to read that were published by independent business and sports companies. You may find out that you, like millions of other people, were manipulated by the great NFL propoganda machine & don't really know as much as you think. I'm not attempting to change how you think about Brady or the Pats...that's not important to me. But it may change how you think about Goodell and the other 31 owners who insisted that Goodell pursue this against Brady as aggressively as possible out of paranoia & jealousy. Don't believe it? Read on.

1. 1 year anniversary article from Dan Wetzel, editor of Yahoo sports. Excellent stuff here for national consumption. I posted a small part of his article.

A year after deflate-gate ballooned, science shows shame of it all

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/1-year...073316233.html

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. No one has disagreed with Leonard's findings.
"The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls," Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day."
What Goodell undoubtedly understands is that for regular people, science is confusing. And since special interests have politicized it on certain subjects, a lot of Americans are quick to reject it or doubt it, no matter how absurd doing so is. In this case, the problem with science is it required time, study and patience. Deflate-gate was about winning the news cycle.
A year ago there were rants about how Belichick should be suspended for the Super Bowl and Brady barred from the Hall of Fame. An ESPN analyst actually choked up on the air, it was all just too much. Meanwhile, Brady was asked about the impact on innocent children.
A year later?
The only ones shouting seem to be the scientists. </td></tr></tbody></table>



2. From Forbes Magazine

One Year Later, Deflategate Represents The Power Of The NFL's Propaganda Machine

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset"> one year later, the NFL’s lies still largely trump the truth in every region of the country except New England.
Though NFL attorneys have written a plethora of legal briefs and arguments over the past 12 months, the league still hasn’t proven the Patriots illegally tampered with their footballs during last year’s AFC Championship. Judge Richard Berman nullified Brady’s four-game suspension in early September, citing a lack of precedent for the punishment and an unfair arbitration process. The NFL quickly announced it would appeal Judge Berman’s ruling, and opening arguments for that case, which is solely about the scope of commissioner Roger Goodell’s disciplinary authority, won’t begin until March.
This season, in an apparent effort to learn more about the science of ball deflation, the NFL announced it would test PSI on a random basis. But the league hasn’t released any of this information yet and reportedly is still considering whether to make any of it public. Six days before this year’s AFC Championship, most sports fans are still relying on misinformation and disputed scientific evidence to frame their opinions on Brady, arguably the greatest quarterback of all-time. </td></tr></tbody></table>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreim...e72fe11b3662be


3. 1 yr anniversary article from M. McCann.
Deflategate, one year later: The anatomy of a failed controversy
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/18/def...bill-belichick


4. http://stevensonlynch.com/13104-2/
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these don't fit his agenda, so I'm sure your wait for a response will be extensive.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Explain why the difference between starting PSI and halftime PSI was so much greater for the Patriot balls, which were presumably in the same temperature as the Colts balls.

Really simple.

All Patriot balls are measured and inflated first, since they are the balls in question.

In the meantime all the Colts balls sit in the HEATED room and acclimate to the surrounding temp.

Once the 4th ball is measured and still below all further testing is terminated. Out of time.

Because lord knows they wouldn't want to run a few minutes late and get all the data. Run more commercials? Nah, the NFL has no interest in making money.

Seems Mr. SmahtyPants doesn't fully understand the Ideal Gas Law either.